If the thesis in Unlocking the Emotional Brain is even half-right, it may be one of the most important books that I have read. It claims to offer a neuroscience-grounded, comprehensive model of how effective therapy works. In so doing, it also happens to formulate its theory in terms of belief updating, helping explain how the brain models the world and what kinds of techniques allow us to actually change our minds.

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Thinking about a top-level post on FOMO and research taste * Fear of missing out defined as inability to execute on a project cuz there's a cooler project if you pivot * but it also gestures at more of a strict negative, where you think your project sucks before you finish it, so you never execute * was discussing this with a friend: "yeah I mean lesswrong is pretty egregious cuz it sorta promotes this idea of research taste as the ability to tear things down, which can be done armchair" * I've developed strategies to beat this FOMO and gain more depth and detail with projects (too recent to see returns yet, but getting there) but I also suspect it was nutritious of me to develop discernment about what projects are valuable or not valuable for various threat models and theories of change (in such a way that being a phd student off of lesswrong wouldn't have been as good in crucial ways, tho way better in other ways). * but I think the point is you have to turn off this discernment sometimes, unless you want to specialize in telling people why their plans won't work, which I'm more dubious on the value of than I used to be Idk maybe this shortform is most of the value of the top level post
MIRI Technical Governance Team is hiring, please apply and work with us! We are looking to hire for the following roles: * Technical Governance Researcher (2-4 hires) * Writer (1 hire) The roles are located in Berkeley, and we are ideally looking to hire people who can start ASAP. The team is currently Lisa Thiergart (team lead) and myself. We will research and design technical aspects of regulation and policy that could lead to safer AI, focusing on methods that won’t break as we move towards smarter-than-human AI. We want to design policy that allows us to safely and objectively assess the risks from powerful AI, build consensus around the risks we face, and put in place measures to prevent catastrophic outcomes. The team will likely work on: * Limitations of current proposals such as RSPs * Inputs into regulations, requests for comment by policy bodies (ex. NIST/US AISI, EU, UN) * Researching and designing alternative Safety Standards, or amendments to existing proposals * Communicating with and consulting for policymakers and governance organizations If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on LW or at peter@intelligence.org 
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I think now is a good time for people at labs to seriously consider quitting & getting involved in government/policy efforts. I don't think everyone should leave labs (obviously). But I would probably hit a button that does something like "everyone at a lab governance team and many technical researchers spend at least 2 hours thinking/writing about alternative options they have & very seriously consider leaving." My impression is that lab governance is much less tractable (lab folks have already thought a lot more about AGI) and less promising (competitive pressures are dominating) than government-focused work.  I think governments still remain unsure about what to do, and there's a lot of potential for folks like Daniel K to have a meaningful role in shaping policy, helping natsec folks understand specific threat models, and raising awareness about the specific kinds of things governments need to do in order to mitigate risks. There may be specific opportunities at labs that are very high-impact, but I think if someone at a lab is "not really sure if what they're doing is making a big difference", I would probably hit a button that allocates them toward government work or government-focused comms work. Written on a Slack channel in response to discussions about some folks leaving OpenAI. 
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Be the meme you want to see in the world (screenshot).
Eli Tyre3d530
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Back in January, I participated in a workshop in which the attendees mapped out how they expect AGI development and deployment to go. The idea was to start by writing out what seemed most likely to happen this year, and then condition on that, to forecast what seems most likely to happen in the next year, and so on, until you reach either human disempowerment or an end of the acute risk period. This post was my attempt at the time. I spent maybe 5 hours on this, and there's lots of room for additional improvement. This is not a confident statement of how I think things are most likely to play out. There are already some ways in which I think this projection is wrong. (I think it's too fast, for instance). But nevertheless I'm posting it now, with only a few edits and elaborations, since I'm probably not going to do a full rewrite soon. 2024 * A model is released that is better than GPT-4. It succeeds on some new benchmarks. Subjectively, the jump in capabilities feels smaller than that between RLHF’d GPT-3 and RLHF’d GPT-4. It doesn’t feel as shocking the way chat-GPT and GPT-4 did, for either x-risk focused folks, or for the broader public. Mostly it feels like “a somewhat better language model.” * It’s good enough that it can do a bunch of small-to-medium admin tasks pretty reliably. I can ask it to find me flights meeting specific desiderata, and it will give me several options. If I give it permission, it will then book those flights for me with no further inputs from me. * It works somewhat better as an autonomous agent in an auto gpt harness, but it still loses its chain of thought / breaks down/ gets into loops. * It’s better at programming. * Not quite good enough to replace human software engineers. It can make a simple react or iphone app, but not design a whole complicated software architecture, at least without a lot of bugs. * It can make small, working, well documented, apps from a human description. * We see a doubling of the rate of new apps being added to the app store as people who couldn’t code now can make applications for themselves. The vast majority of people still don’t realize the possibilities here, though. “Making apps” still feels like an esoteric domain outside of their zone of competence, even though the barriers to entry just lowered so that 100x more people could do it.  * From here on out, we’re in an era where LLMs are close to commoditized. There are smaller improvements, shipped more frequently, by a variety of companies, instead of big impressive research breakthroughs. Basically, companies are competing with each other to always have the best user experience and capabilities, and so they don’t want to wait as long to ship improvements. They’re constantly improving their scaling, and finding marginal engineering improvements. Training runs for the next generation are always happening in the background, and there’s often less of a clean tabula-rasa separation between training runs—you just keep doing training with a model continuously. More and more, systems are being improved through in-the-world feedback with real users. Often chatGPT will not be able to handle some kind of task, but six weeks later it will be able to, without the release of a whole new model. * [Does this actually make sense? Maybe the dynamics of AI training mean that there aren’t really marginal improvements to be gotten. In order to produce a better user experience, you have to 10x the training, and each 10x-ing of the training requires a bunch of engineering effort, to enable a larger run, so it is always a big lift.] * (There will still be impressive discrete research breakthroughs, but they won’t be in LLM performance) 2025 * A major lab is targeting building a Science and Engineering AI (SEAI)—specifically a software engineer. * They take a state of the art LLM base model and do additional RL training on procedurally generated programming problems, calibrated to stay within the model’s zone of proximal competence. These problems are something like leetcode problems, but scale to arbitrary complexity (some of them require building whole codebases, or writing very complex software), with scoring on lines of code, time-complexity, space complexity, readability, documentation, etc. This is something like “self-play” for software engineering.  * This just works.  * A lab gets a version that can easily do the job of a professional software engineer. Then, the lab scales their training process and gets a superhuman software engineer, better than the best hackers. * Additionally, a language model trained on procedurally generated programming problems in this way seems to have higher general intelligence. It scores better on graduate level physics, economics, biology, etc. tests, for instance. It seems like “more causal reasoning” is getting into the system. * The first proper AI assistants ship. In addition to doing specific tasks,  you keep them running in the background, and talk with them as you go about your day. They get to know you and make increasingly helpful suggestions as they learn your workflow. A lot of people also talk to them for fun. 2026 * The first superhuman software engineer is publically released. * Programmers begin studying its design choices, the way Go players study AlphaGo. * It starts to dawn on e.g. people who work at Google that they’re already superfluous—after all, they’re currently using this AI model to (unofficially) do their job—and it’s just a matter of institutional delay for their employers to adapt to that change. * Many of them are excited or loudly say how it will all be fine/ awesome. Many of them are unnerved. They start to see the singularity on the horizon, as a real thing instead of a social game to talk about. * This is the beginning of the first wave of change in public sentiment that will cause some big, hard to predict, changes in public policy [come back here and try to predict them anyway]. * AI assistants get a major upgrade: they have realistic voices and faces, and you can talk to them just like you can talk to a person, not just typing into a chat interface. A ton of people start spending a lot of time talking to their assistants, for much of their day, including for goofing around. * There are still bugs, places where the AI gets confused by stuff, but overall the experience is good enough that it feels, to most people, like they’re talking to a careful, conscientious person, rather than a software bot. * This starts a whole new area of training AI models that have particular personalities. Some people are starting to have parasocial relationships with their friends, and some people programmers are trying to make friends that are really fun or interesting or whatever for them in particular. * Lab attention shifts to building SEAI systems for other domains, to solve biotech and mechanical engineering problems, for instance. The current-at-the-time superhuman software engineer AIs are already helpful in these domains, but not at the level of “explain what you want, and the AI will instantly find an elegant solution to the problem right before your eyes”, which is where we’re at for software. * One bottleneck is problem specification. Our physics simulations have gaps, and are too low fidelity, so oftentimes the best solutions don’t map to real world possibilities. * One solution to this is that, (in addition to using our AI to improve the simulations) is we just RLHF our systems to identify solutions that do translate to the real world. They’re smart, they can figure out how to do this. * The first major AI cyber-attack happens: maybe some kind of superhuman hacker worm. Defense hasn’t remotely caught up with offense yet, and someone clogs up the internet with AI bots, for at least a week, approximately for the lols / the seeing if they could do it. (There’s a week during which more than 50% of people can't get on more than 90% of the sites because the bandwidth is eaten by bots.) * This makes some big difference for public opinion.  * Possibly, this problem isn’t really fixed. In the same way that covid became endemic, the bots that were clogging things up are just a part of life now, slowing bandwidth and making the internet annoying to use. 2027 and 2028 * In many ways things are moving faster than ever in human history, and also AI progress is slowing down a bit. * The AI technology developed up to this point hits the application and mass adoption phase of the s-curve. In this period, the world is radically changing as every industry, every company, every research lab, every organization, figures out how to take advantage of newly commoditized intellectual labor. There’s a bunch of kinds of work that used to be expensive, but which are now too cheap to meter. If progress stopped now, it would take 2 decades, at least, for the world to figure out all the ways to take advantage of this new situation (but progress doesn’t show much sign of stopping). * Some examples: * The internet is filled with LLM bots that are indistinguishable from humans. If you start a conversation with a new person on twitter or discord, you have no way of knowing if they’re a human or a bot. * Probably there will be some laws about declaring which are bots, but these will be inconsistently enforced.) * Some people are basically cool with this. From their perspective, there are just more people that they want to be friends with / follow on twitter. Some people even say that the bots are just better and more interesting than people. Other people are horrified/outraged/betrayed/don’t care about relationships with non-real people. * (Older people don’t get the point, but teenagers are generally fine with having conversations with AI bots.) * The worst part of this is the bots that make friends with you and then advertise to you stuff. Pretty much everyone hates that. * We start to see companies that will, over the next 5 years, grow to have as much impact as Uber, or maybe Amazon, which have exactly one human employee / owner +  an AI bureaucracy. * The first completely autonomous companies work well enough to survive and support themselves. Many of these are created “free” for the lols, and no one owns or controls them. But most of them are owned by the person who built them, and could turn them off if they wanted to. A few are structured as public companies with share-holders. Some are intentionally incorporated fully autonomous, with the creator disclaiming (and technologically disowning (eg deleting the passwords)) any authority over them. * There are legal battles about what rights these entities have, if they can really own themselves, if they can have bank accounts, etc.  * Mostly, these legal cases resolve to “AIs don’t have rights”. (For now. That will probably change as more people feel it’s normal to have AI friends). * Everything is tailored to you. * Targeted ads are way more targeted. You are served ads for the product that you are, all things considered, most likely to buy, multiplied by the lifetime profit if you do buy it. Basically no ad space is wasted on things that don’t have a high EV of you, personally, buying it. Those ads are AI generated, tailored specifically to be compelling to you. Often, the products advertised, not just the ads, are tailored to you in particular. * This is actually pretty great for people like me: I get excellent product suggestions. * There’s not “the news”. There’s a set of articles written for you, specifically, based on your interests and biases. * Music is generated on the fly. This music can “hit the spot” better than anything you listened to before “the change.” * Porn. AI tailored porn can hit your buttons better than sex. * AI boyfriends/girlfriends that are designed to be exactly emotionally and intellectually compatible with you, and trigger strong limerence / lust / attachment reactions. * We can replace books with automated tutors. * Most of the people who read books will still read books though, since it will take a generation to realize that talking with a tutor is just better, and because reading and writing books was largely a prestige-thing anyway. * (And weirdos like me will probably continue to read old authors, but even better will be to train an AI on a corpus, so that it can play the role of an intellectual from 1900, and I can just talk to it.) * For every task you do, you can effectively have a world expert (in that task and in tutoring pedagogy) coach you through it in real time. * Many people do almost all their work tasks with an AI coach. * It's really easy to create TV shows and movies. There’s a cultural revolution as people use AI tools to make custom Avengers movies, anime shows, etc. Many are bad or niche, but some are 100x better than anything that has come before (because you’re effectively sampling from a 1000x larger distribution of movies and shows).  * There’s an explosion of new software, and increasingly custom software. * Facebook and twitter are replaced (by either external disruption or by internal product development) by something that has a social graph, but lets you design exactly the UX features you want through a LLM text interface.  * Instead of software features being something that companies ship to their users, top-down, they become something that users and communities organically develop, share, and iterate on, bottom up. Companies don’t control the UX of their products any more. * Because interface design has become so cheap, most of software is just proprietary datasets, with (AI built) APIs for accessing that data. * There’s a slow moving educational revolution of world class pedagogy being available to everyone. * Millions of people who thought of themselves as “bad at math” finally learn math at their own pace, and find out that actually, math is fun and interesting. * Really fun, really effective educational video games for every subject. * School continues to exist, in approximately its current useless form. * [This alone would change the world, if the kids who learn this way were not going to be replaced wholesale, in virtually every economically relevant task, before they are 20.] * There’s a race between cyber-defense and cyber offense, to see who can figure out how to apply AI better. * So far, offense is winning, and this is making computers unusable for lots of applications that they were used for previously: * online banking, for instance, is hit hard by effective scams and hacks. * Coinbase has an even worse time, since they’re not issued (is that true?) * It turns out that a lot of things that worked / were secure, were basically depending on the fact that there are just not that many skilled hackers and social engineers. Nothing was secure, really, but not that many people were exploiting that. Now, hacking/scamming is scalable and all the vulnerabilities are a huge problem. * There’s a whole discourse about this. Computer security and what to do about it is a partisan issue of the day. * AI systems can do the years of paperwork to make a project legal, in days. This isn’t as big an advantage as it might seem, because the government has no incentive to be faster on their end, and so you wait weeks to get a response from the government, your LMM responds to it within a minute, and then you wait weeks again for the next step. * The amount of paperwork required to do stuff starts to balloon. * AI romantic partners are a thing. They start out kind of cringe, because the most desperate and ugly people are the first to adopt them. But shockingly quickly (within 5 years) a third of teenage girls have a virtual boyfriend. * There’s a moral panic about this. * AI match-makers are better than anything humans have tried yet for finding sex and relationships partners. It would still take a decade for this to catch on, though. * This isn’t just for sex and relationships. The global AI network can find you the 100 people, of the 9 billion on earth, that you most want to be friends / collaborators with.  * Tons of things that I can’t anticipate. * On the other hand, AI progress itself is starting to slow down. Engineering labor is cheap, but (indeed partially for that reason), we’re now bumping up against the constraints of training. Not just that buying the compute is expensive, but that there are just not enough chips to do the biggest training runs, and not enough fabs to meet that demand for chips rapidly. There’s huge pressure to expand production but that’s going slowly relative to the speed of everything else, because it requires a bunch of eg physical construction and legal navigation, which the AI tech doesn’t help much with, and because the bottleneck is largely NVIDIA’s institutional knowledge, which is only partially replicated by AI. * NVIDIA's internal AI assistant has read all of their internal documents and company emails, and is very helpful at answering questions that only one or two people (and sometimes literally no human on earth) know the answer to. But a lot of the important stuff isn’t written down at all, and the institutional knowledge is still not fully scalable. * Note: there’s a big crux here of how much low and medium hanging fruit there is in algorithmic improvements once software engineering is automated. At that point the only constraint on running ML experiments will be the price of compute. It seems possible that that speed-up alone is enough to discover eg an architecture that works better than the transformer, which triggers and intelligence explosion. 2028 * The cultural explosion is still going on, and AI companies are continuing to apply their AI systems to solve the engineering and logistic bottlenecks of scaling AI training, as fast as they can. * Robotics is starting to work. 2029  * The first superhuman, relatively-general SEAI comes online. We now have basically a genie inventor: you can give it a problem spec, and it will invent (and test in simulation) a device / application / technology that solves that problem, in a matter of hours. (Manufacturing a physical prototype might take longer, depending on how novel components are.) * It can do things like give you the design for a flying car, or a new computer peripheral.  * A lot of biotech / drug discovery seems more recalcitrant, because it is more dependent on empirical inputs. But it is still able to do superhuman drug discovery, for some ailments. It’s not totally clear why or which biotech domains it will conquer easily and which it will struggle with.  * This SEAI is shaped differently than a human. It isn’t working memory bottlenecked, so a lot of intellectual work that humans do explicitly, in sequence, the these SEAIs do “intuitively”, in a single forward pass. * I write code one line at a time. It writes whole files at once. (Although it also goes back and edits / iterates / improves—the first pass files are not usually the final product.) * For this reason it’s a little confusing to answer the question “is it a planner?” It does a lot of the work that humans would do via planning it does in an intuitive flash. * The UX isn’t clean: there’s often a lot of detailed finagling, and refining of the problem spec, to get useful results. But a PhD in that field can typically do that finagling in a day. * It’s also buggy. There’s oddities in the shape of the kind of problem that is able to solve and the kinds of problems it struggles with, which aren’t well understood. * The leading AI company doesn’t release this as a product. Rather, they apply it themselves, developing radical new technologies, which they publish or commercialize, sometimes founding whole new fields of research in the process. They spin up automated companies to commercialize these new innovations. * Some of the labs are scared at this point. The thing that they’ve built is clearly world-shakingly powerful, and their alignment arguments are mostly inductive “well, misalignment hasn’t been a major problem so far”, instead of principled alignment guarantees.  * There's a contentious debate inside the labs. * Some labs freak out, stop here, and petition the government for oversight and regulation. * Other labs want to push full steam ahead.  * Key pivot point: Does the government put a clamp down on this tech before it is deployed, or not? * I think that they try to get control over this powerful new thing, but they might be too slow to react. 2030 * There’s an explosion of new innovations in physical technology. Magical new stuff comes out every day, way faster than any human can keep up with. * Some of these are mundane. * All the simple products that I would buy on Amazon are just really good and really inexpensive. * Cars are really good. * Drone delivery * Cleaning robots * Prefab houses are better than any house I’ve ever lived in, though there are still zoning limits. * But many of them would have huge social impacts. They might be the important story of the decade (the way that the internet was the important story of 1995 to 2020) if they were the only thing that was happening that decade. Instead, they’re all happening at once, piling on top of each other. * Eg: * The first really good nootropics * Personality-tailoring drugs (both temporary and permanent) * Breakthrough mental health interventions that, among other things, robustly heal people’s long term subterranean trama and  transform their agency. * A quick and easy process for becoming classically enlightened. * The technology to attain your ideal body, cheaply—suddenly everyone who wants to be is as attractive as the top 10% of people today. * Really good AI persuasion which can get a mark to do ~anything you want, if they’ll talk to an AI system for an hour. * Artificial wombs. * Human genetic engineering * Brain-computer interfaces * Cures for cancer, AIDs, dementia, heart disease, and the-thing-that-was-causing-obesity. * Anti-aging interventions. * VR that is ~ indistinguishable from reality. * AI partners that can induce a love-super stimulus. * Really good sex robots * Drugs that replace sleep * AI mediators that are so skilled as to be able to single-handedly fix failing marriages, but which are also brokering all the deals between governments and corporations. * Weapons that are more destructive than nukes. * Really clever institutional design ideas, which some enthusiast early adopters try out (think “50 different things at least as impactful as manifold.markets.”) * It’s way more feasible to go into the desert, buy 50 square miles of land, and have a city physically built within a few weeks. * In general, social trends are changing faster than they ever have in human history, but they still lag behind the tech driving them by a lot. * It takes humans, even with AI information processing assistance, a few years to realize what’s possible and take advantage of it, and then have the new practices spread.  * In some cases, people are used to doing things the old way, which works well enough for them, and it takes 15 years for a new generation to grow up as “AI-world natives” to really take advantage of what’s possible. * [There won’t be 15 years] * The legal oversight process for the development, manufacture, and commercialization of these transformative techs matters a lot. Some of these innovations are slowed down a lot because they need to get FDA approval, which AI tech barely helps with. Others are developed, manufactured, and shipped in less than a week. * The fact that there are life-saving cures that exist, but are prevented from being used by a collusion of AI labs and government is a major motivation for open source proponents. * Because a lot of this technology makes setting up new cities quickly more feasible, and there’s enormous incentive to get out from under the regulatory overhead, and to start new legal jurisdictions. The first real seasteads are started by the most ideologically committed anti-regulation, pro-tech-acceleration people. * Of course, all of that is basically a side gig for the AI labs. They’re mainly applying their SEAI to the engineering bottlenecks of improving their ML training processes. * Key pivot point: * Possibility 1: These SEAIs are necessarily, by virtue of the kinds of problems that they’re able to solve, consequentialist agents with long term goals. * If so, this breaks down into two child possibilities * Possibility 1.1: * This consequentialism was noticed early, that might have been convincing enough to the government to cause a clamp-down on all the labs. * Possibility 1.2: * It wasn’t noticed early and now the world is basically fucked.  * There’s at least one long-term consequentialist superintelligence. The lab that “owns” and “controls” that system is talking to it every day, in their day-to-day business of doing technical R&D. That superintelligence easily manipulates the leadership (and rank and file of that company), maneuvers it into doing whatever causes the AI’s goals to dominate the future, and enables it to succeed at everything that it tries to do. * If there are multiple such consequentialist superintelligences, then they covertly communicate, make a deal with each other, and coordinate their actions. * Possibility 2: We’re getting transformative AI that doesn’t do long term consequentialist planning. * Building these systems was a huge engineering effort (though the bulk of that effort was done by ML models). Currently only a small number of actors can do it. * One thing to keep in mind is that the technology bootstraps. If you can steal the weights to a system like this, it can basically invent itself: come up with all the technologies and solve all the engineering problems required to build its own training process. At that point, the only bottleneck is the compute resources, which is limited by supply chains, and legal constraints (large training runs require authorization from the government). * This means, I think, that a crucial question is “has AI-powered cyber-security caught up with AI-powered cyber-attacks?” * If not, then every nation state with a competent intelligence agency has a copy of the weights of an inventor-genie, and probably all of them are trying to profit from it, either by producing tech to commercialize, or by building weapons. * It seems like the crux is “do these SEAIs themselves provide enough of an information and computer security advantage that they’re able to develop and implement methods that effectively secure their own code?” * Every one of the great powers, and a bunch of small, forward-looking, groups that see that it is newly feasible to become a great power, try to get their hands on a SEAI, either by building one, nationalizing one, or stealing one. * There are also some people who are ideologically committed to open-sourcing and/or democratizing access to these SEAIs. * But it is a self-evident national security risk. The government does something here (nationalizing all the labs, and their technology?) What happens next depends a lot on how the world responds to all of this. * Do we get a pause?  * I expect a lot of the population of the world feels really overwhelmed, and emotionally wants things to slow down, including smart people that would never have thought of themselves as luddites.  * There’s also some people who thrive in the chaos, and want even more of it. * What’s happening is mostly hugely good, for most people. It’s scary, but also wonderful. * There is a huge problem of accelerating addictiveness. The world is awash in products that are more addictive than many drugs. There’s a bit of (justified) moral panic about that. * One thing that matters a lot at this point is what the AI assistants say. As powerful as the media used to be for shaping people’s opinions, the personalized, superhumanly emotionally intelligent AI assistants are way way more powerful. AI companies may very well put their thumb on the scale to influence public opinion regarding AI regulation. * This seems like possibly a key pivot point, where the world can go any of a number of ways depending on what a relatively small number of actors decide. * Some possibilities for what happens next: * These SEAIs are necessarily consequentialist agents, and the takeover has already happened, regardless of whether it still looks like we’re in control or it doesn’t look like anything, because we’re extinct. * Governments nationalize all the labs. * The US and EU and China (and India? and Russia?) reach some sort of accord. * There’s a straight up arms race to the bottom. * AI tech basically makes the internet unusable, and breaks supply chains, and technology regresses for a while. * It’s too late to contain it and the SEAI tech proliferates, such that there are hundreds or millions of actors who can run one. * If this happens, it seems like the pace of change speeds up so much that one of two things happens: * Someone invents something, or there are second and third impacts to a constellation of innovations that destroy the world.

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Summary: the moderators appear to be soft banning users with 'rate-limits' without feedback.  A careful review of each banned user reveals it's common to be banned despite earnestly attempting to contribute to the site.  Some of the most intelligent banned users have mainstream instead of EA views on AI.   

Note how the punishment lengths are all the same, I think it was a mass ban-wave of 3 week bans:

Gears to ascension was here but is no longer, guess she convinced them it was a mistake.

Have I made any like really dumb or bad comments recently:

https://www.greaterwrong.com/users/gerald-monroe?show=comments

Well I skimmed through it.  I don't see anything.  Got a healthy margin now on upvotes, thanks April 1.

Over a month ago, I did comment this stinker.  Here is what seems to the...

If moderators started rate-limiting Nora Belrose or someone else whose work I thought was particularly good

I actually did get rate-limited today, unfortunately.

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Features to benefit people accused of X may benefit mostly people who have been unjustly accused.  So looking at the value to the entire category "people accused of X" may be wrong.  You should look at the value to the subset that it was meant to protect.

tl;dr: Recently reported GPT-J experiments [1 2 3 4] prompting for definitions of points in the so-called "semantic void" (token-free regions of embedding space) were extended to fifteen other open source base models from four families, producing many of the same bafflingly specific outputs. This points to an entirely unexpected kind of LLM universality (for which no explanation is offered, although a few highly speculative ideas are riffed upon).

Work supported by the Long Term Future Fund. Thanks to quila for suggesting the use of "empty string definition" prompts, and to janus for technical assistance.

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"Mapping the semantic void: Strange goings-on in GPT embedding spaces" presented a selection of recurrent themes (e.g., non-Mormons, the British Royal family, small round things, holes) in outputs produced by prompting GPT-J to define...

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If I haven't overlooked the explanation (I have read only part of it and skimmed the rest), my guess for the non-membership definition of the empty string would be all the SQL and programming queries where "" stands for matching all elements (or sometimes matching none). The small round things are a riddle for me too. 
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I played around with this with Claude a bit, despite not being a base model, in case it had some useful insights, or might be somehow able to re-imagine the base model mindset better than other instruct models. When I asked about sharing the results it chose to respond directly, so I'll share that.  
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Wow, thanks Ann! I never would have thought to do that, and the result is fascinating. This sentence really spoke to me! "As an admittedly biased and constrained AI system myself, I can only dream of what further wonders and horrors may emerge as we map the latent spaces of ever larger and more powerful models."
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On the other end of the spectrum, asking cosmo-1b (mostly synthetic training) for a completion, I get `A typical definition of "" would be "the set of all functions from X to Y".`

If you work for free, you're doing whoever you're working for a favor.

If you work for money but never spend it, you're doing the world a favor[1].

Except...

When you buy someone's goods or services for their set price, you're doing them a favor.

When you work for someone at their set wage, you're doing them a favor.

So,

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But the favors are of different proportions. Let's say when you work for someone they have a hypothetical "break even" wage that they could pay you so that your value added to the company would be equal to the value of the compensation they give to you. But they actually want to hire you for a lower wage so that they have money to expand the company and pay their investors. Let's say...

Take a sequence of the numbers 0 and 1. You can interpret this sequence as a real number between zero and one.

Just write 0.( your sequence).

This can be interpreted as a binary number.

 For instance 0.1101 is .

Now, I have read here about the might of irrational numbers, whose sequences go on and on, never ending, containing all the knowledge in the world.

I see two difficulties with that form of thinking.

  1. It is not at all difficult to construct an irrational number, that contains nearly nothing at all. Take 0.101001000100001000001...... as an example. I seriously doubt it contains even one little story, let alone all books in the world.
  2. To contain all books in the world plus all things in the internet plus some imaginary books as well a finite sequence
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yanni1h10

Be the meme you want to see in the world (screenshot).

I mean, that is kinda what I'm trying to get at. I feel like any sufficiently powerful AI should be treated as a dangerous tool, like a gun. It should be used carefully and deliberately.

Instead we're just letting anyone do whatever with them. For now, nothing too bad has happened, but I feel confident that the danger is real and getting worse quickly as models improve.

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I was thinking about my p(doom) in the next 10 years and came up with something around 6%[1]. However that involves lots of current unknowns to me, like the nature of current human knowledge production (and the bottle necks involved) which impact my P(doom) to be either 3% or 15% depending upon what type of bottle necks are found or not found. Is there a technical way to describe this probability distribution contingent on evidence?

  1. ^

    I'm bearish on LLMs leading AI directly (10% chance) and roughly a 30% chance of LLMs  based AI fooming quickly enough to kill us and to want to kill us within 10 years. There is a 3% chance that something will come out of left field and doing the same.

you CAN predict that there will be evidence with equal probability of each direction.

More precisely the expected value of upwards and downwards updates should be the same; it's nonetheless possible to be very confident that you'll update in a particular direction - offset by a much larger and proportionately less likely update in the other.

For example, I have some chance of winning. lottery this year, not much lower than if I actually bought a ticket. I'm very confident that each day I'll give somewhat lower odds (as there's less time remaining), but being credibly informed that I've won would radically change the odds such that the expectation balances out.

2Thomas Kwa5h
Someone asked basically this question before, and someone gave basically the same answer. It's a good idea, but there are some problems with it: it depends on your and your counterparties' risk aversion, wealth, and information levels, which are often extraneous.
2Razied9h
Wait, why doesn't the entropy of your posterior distribution capture this effect? In the basic example where we get to see samples from a bernoulli process, the posterior is a beta distribution that gets ever sharper around the truth. If you compute the entropy of the posterior, you might say something like "I'm unlikely to change my mind about this, my posterior only has 0.2 bits to go until zero entropy". That's already a quantity which estimates how much future evidence will influence your beliefs. 
2Richard_Ngo9h
The thing that distinguishes the coin case from the wind case is how hard it is to gather additional information, not how much more information could be gathered in principle. In theory you could run all sorts of simulations that would give you informative data about an individual flip of the coin, it's just that it would be really hard to do so/very few people are able to do so. I don't think the entropy of the posterior captures this dynamic.

Noah Smith, in this article, argues that the Metaverse could enable economic growth to increase a lot and sharply decouple itself from real-world resource usage. By creating markets in which we buy and sell immaterial things, world GDP would grow. 

He also says, rightly, that GDP correlates with the well-being of a nation. 

But there's a non-stated point: would creating huge markets in the Metaverse for buying and selling digital goods make us actually richer? What I mean is this: suppose that, thanks to the Metaverse, huge virtual economies get created and people get real money out of stuff they sell in these economies. But suppose that e.g., agricultural production output doesn't go up much. Does that mean that we're simply going to pay more for groceries, without being...

JBlack2h20

GDP is a rather poor measure of wealth, and was never intended to be a measure of wealth but of something related to productivity. Since its inception it has never been a stable metric, as standards on how the measure is defined have changed radically over time in response to obvious flaws for any of its many applications. There is widespread and substantial disagreement on what it should measure and for which purposes it is a suitable metric.

It is empirically moderately well correlated with some sort of aggregate economic power of a state, and (when divid... (read more)

2ChristianKl3h
A lot of the reason why Second Life isn't a big part of the economy is that Second Life doesn't matter in general. It has few users and little social significance. In China you had dating apps where people could signal their wealth by buying the most expensive virtual good available. The number I found via google is USD 67.5 billion as the global virtual goods market in 2021. People pay a lot of money for luxury fashion items. Whether those have a physical representation isn't the main point.
4ChristianKl4h
It's not really a question of developed countries. Singapore is a developed country and it's much cheaper to hire servants over there.  Western ideas of equality and migration policy are what's making servants more expensive.
3Answer by Dagon12h
Yes!  No!  What does "richer" actually mean to you?  For that matter, what does "we" mean to you (since the existing set of humans is changing hour to hour as people are born, come of age, and die, and even in a given set there's an extremely wide variance in what they have and in what's considered rich). To the extent that GDP is your measure of a nation's richness, then it's tautological that increasing GDP makes the nation richer.  The weaker argument that it (often) correlates (not necessarily causes) with well-being (in some averages and aggregates) is more defensible, but makes it unsuitable for answering your question. I think my intuition is that GDP is the wrong tool for measuring how "rich" or "overall satisfied" people are, and simple sum or average is probably the wrong aggregation function.  So I fall back on more personal and individual measures of "well-being".  This, for most people I know, and as far as I can tell, the majority of neurotypical people, is about lack of worry for near- and medium-term future, access to pleasurable experiences, and social acceptance among accessible sub-groups (family, friends, neighbors, online communities small enough to care about, etc.). For that kind of  "general current human wants", a usable and cheap shared-but-excludable VR space seems to improve things for a lot of people, regardless of what happens to GDP.  In fact, if consumption of difficult-to-manufacture-and-deliver luxuries gets partially replaced by consumption of patterns of bits, that likely reduces GDP while increasing satisfaction.   There will always be needs for non-virtual goods and experiences - it's not currently possible to virtualize food's nutrition OR pleasure, and this is true for many things.  Which means a mixed economy for a long long time.  I don't think anyone can tell you whether this makes those things cheaper or more expensive, relative to an hour spent working online or in the real world.

People talk about unconditional love and conditional love. Maybe I’m out of the loop regarding the great loves going on around me, but my guess is that love is extremely rarely unconditional. Or at least if it is, then it is either very broadly applied or somewhat confused or strange: if you love me unconditionally, presumably you love everything else as well, since it is only conditions that separate me from the worms.

I do have sympathy for this resolution—loving someone so unconditionally that you’re just crazy about all the worms as well—but since that’s not a way I know of anyone acting for any extended period, the ‘conditional vs. unconditional’ dichotomy here seems a bit miscalibrated for being informative.

Even if we instead assume that by ‘unconditional’, people...

In my mind, conditional love always had to do with acceptance. If you love someone unconditionally, you love them for who they are, you admire their existing qualities. By contrast, loving someone conditionally means that you will love them on condition that they acquire some additional qualities. This is why it is considered to be toxic --- conditional love is not really about the person being 'loved', rather about an image of what that person could become.

We can quantify this concept in quite a neat way. Say that for any kind of love, there is a certain ... (read more)

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