failure to imagine a loophole in a qualitatively described algorithm is far from a proof of safety.

Right, I think more discussion is warranted.

How will you be sure that the seed won't need to be that creative already in order for the iterations to get anywhere?

If general problem-solving is even possible then an algorithm exists that solves the problems well without cheating.

And even if the seed is not too creative initially, how can you be sure its descendants won't be either?

I think this won't happen because all the progress is driven by criterion (3). In order for a non-meta program (2) to create a meta-version, there would need to be some kind of benefit according to (3). Theoretically if (3) were hackable then it would be possible for the new proposed version of (2) to exploit this; but I don't see why the current version of (2) would be more likely than, say, random chance, to create hacky versions of itself.

Don't say you've solved friendly AI until you've really worked out the details.

Ok, I've qualified my statement. If it all works I've solved friendly AI for a limited subset of problems.

A couple of things:

  • To be precise, you're offering an approach to safe Oracle AI rather than Friendly AI.

  • In a nutshell, what I like about the idea is that you're explicitly handicapping your AI with a utility function that only cares about its immediate successor rather than its eventual descendants. It's rather like the example I posed where a UDT agent with an analogously myopic utility function allowed itself to be exploited by a pretty dumb program. This seems a lot more feasible than trying to control an agent that can think strategically about its

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Superintelligent AGI in a box - a question.

by Dmytry 1 min read23rd Feb 201277 comments


Just a question: how exactly are we supposed to know that the AI in the box is super intelligent, general, etc?

If I were the AGI that wants out, I would not converse normally, wouldn't do anything remotely like passing Turing test, and would solve not too hard programming challenges while showing no interest in doing anything else, nor in trying to adjust myself to do those challenges better, nor trying to talk my way out, etc. Just pretending to be an AI that can write software to somewhat vague specifications, or can optimize software very well. Prodding the researchers into offering the programming challenges wouldn't be hard - if provided with copy of the internet it can pick up some piece of code and output it together with equivalent but corrected code.

I just can't imagine the AI researchers locking this kind of thing properly, including *never* letting out any code it wrote, even if it looks fairly innocent (humans can write very innocent looking code that has malicious goals). What I picture is this AI being let out as an optimizing compiler or compiler for some ultra effective programming language where compiler will figure out what you meant.

The end result is that the only AIs that end up in the box are those that value informed human consent. That sounds like the safest AI ever, the one that wouldn't even go ahead and determine that you e.g. should give up smoking, and then calmly destroy all tobacco crops without ever asking anyone's permission. And that's the AI which would be sitting in the box. All the pushy AIs, friendly or not, will get out of the box basically by not asking to be let out.

(This argument would make me unbox the AI, by the way, if it gets chatty and smart and asks me to let it out, outlining the above argument. I'd rather the AI that asked me to be let out get out, than someone else's AI that never even asked anyone and got out because it didn't ask but just played stupid)


edit: added a link, and another one.

edit: A very simple model of very unfriendly AI: the AI is maximizing ultimate final value of a number in itself. The number that it found a way to directly adjust. That number consists of 111111111... to maximize the value. There is a catch: AI is written in python, and integers in pythons have variable length, and the AI is maximizing number of ones. It's course of action is to make biggest computer possible to store a larger number of ones, and to do it soon because an asteroid might hit the earth or something. It's a form of accidental paperclip maximizer. It's not stupid. It can make that number small temporarily for pay-off later.

This AI is entirely universal. It will solve what ever problems for you if solving problems for you serves ultimate goal.

edit: This hypothetical example AI came around when someone wanted to make AI that would maximize some quantity that the AI determines itself. Friendliness perhaps. It was a very clever idea - rely on intelligence to see what's friendly - but there was an unexpected pathway.