[Disclaimer: My ethics and metaethics are not necessarily the same as those of Bound_up; in fact I think they are not. More below.]

Human values can conflict. Morality [...] tells you what you should do. A ragbag of conflicting values cannot be used to make a definitive decision. Therefore morality is not a ragbag of conflicting values.

I think this argument, in order to work, needs some further premise to the effect that a decision only counts as "definitive" if it is universal, if in some suitable sense everyone would/should arrive at the sam... (read more)

I think this argument, in order to work, needs some further premise to the effect that a decision only counts as "definitive" if it is universal,

Ok, but it would have been helpful to have argued the point.

if in some suitable sense everyone would/should arrive at the same decision; and then the second step ("Morality tells you what you should do") needs to say explicitly that morality does this universally.

AFAICT, it is only necessary for to have the same decision across a certain reference class, not universally.

In that case,

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0entirelyuseless4yI disagree with this objection to Eliezer's ethics because I think the distinction between "realist" and "nonrealist" theories is a confusion that needs to be done away with. The question is not whether morality (or anything else) is "something real," but whether or not moral claims are actually true or false. Because that is all the reality that actually matter: tables and chairs are real, as far as I am concerned, because "there is a table in this room" is actually true. (This is also relevant to our previous discussion about consciousness.) And in Eliezer's theory, some moral claims are actually true, and some are actually false. So I agree with him that his theory is realist. I do disagree with his theory, however, insofar as it implies that "what we care about" is essentially arbitrary, even if it is what it is.

Open thread, Jul. 25 - Jul. 31, 2016

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