Can you reliably communicate a good approximation of what you believe to another without reference to decision theory?

I think so. There is a supremely powerful person, Who is the Form of the Good, Who is perfectly simple... yeah, pretty sure I can do it using accepted theological terminology.

Does it matter what the average theist believes? If Aquinas doesn't believe in the same God that a typical Baptist churchgoer does, I don't think that means that Aquinas isn't a theist. If the average biology students don't have the same definition of "gene" as the best biologists do... (This is like some really weird variation on No True Scotsman.)

Does it matter what the average theist believes? If Aquinas doesn't believe in the same God that a typical Baptist churchgoer does, I don't think that means that Aquinas isn't a theist.

It matters if you're arguing from a majoritarian "orthodoxy as democracy spread over time" perspective. If the vast majority of theists throughout history didn't actually believe in the God of Aquinas, but rather in the God of the old testament (or whatever), then you can't cite their belief as evidence supporting Aquinas' (or your) God.

Or am I misunderstanding your argument?

1lavalamp8yBut I don't think those words coming from you are generated by the same thought process that most theists use to make similar statements. You use the same words, but you mean something different. At least, that is my impression. No. But at some point it becomes helpful to try and make sure everyone means similar things when using the same word. If that's not possible then maybe it's a good time to taboo the word. I'm thinking that "theist" usually refers to a particular cluster of beliefs that are sorta similar to yours but different enough that I'm not sure if calling yourself a theist clarifies or obscures your actual beliefs. I'm leaning towards "obscures"...

Scenario analysis: semi-general AIs

by Will_Newsome 1 min read22nd Mar 201266 comments


Are there any essays anywhere that go in depth about scenarios where AIs become somewhat recursive/general in that they can write functioning code to solve diverse problems, but the AI reflection problem remains unsolved and thus limits the depth of recursion attainable by the AIs? Let's provisionally call such general but reflection-limited AIs semi-general AIs, or SGAIs. SGAIs might be of roughly smart-animal-level intelligence, e.g. have rudimentary communication/negotiation abilities and some level of ability to formulate narrowish plans of the sort that don't leave them susceptible to Pascalian self-destruction or wireheading or the like.

At first blush, this scenario strikes me as Bad; AIs could take over all computers connected to the internet, totally messing stuff up as their goals/subgoals mutate and adapt to circumvent wireheading selection pressures, without being able to reach general intelligence. AIs might or might not cooperate with humans in such a scenario. I imagine any detailed existing literature on this subject would focus on computer security and intelligent computer "viruses"; does such literature exist, anywhere?

I have various questions about this scenario, including:

  • How quickly should one expect temetic selective sweeps to reach ~99% fixation?
  • To what extent should SGAIs be expected to cooperate with humans in such a scenario? Would SGAIs be able to make plans that involve exchange of currency, even if they don't understand what currency is or how exactly it works? What do humans have to offer SGAIs?
  • How confident can we be that SGAIs will or won't have enough oomph to FOOM once they saturate and optimize/corrupt all existing computing hardware?
  • Assuming such a scenario doesn't immediately lead to a FOOM scenario, how bad is it? To what extent is its badness contingent on the capability/willingness of SGAIs to play nice with humans?
Those are the questions that immediately spring to mind, but I'd like to see who else has thought about this and what they've already considered before I cover too much ground.
My intuition says that thinking about SGAIs in terms of population genetics and microeconomics will somewhat counteract automatic tendencies to imagine cool stories rather than engage in dispassionate analysis. I'd like other suggestions for how to achieve that goal.
I'm confused that I don't see people talking about this scenario very much; why is that? Why isn't it the default expected scenario among futurologists? Or have I just not paid close enough attention? Is there already a name for this class of AIs? Is the name better than "semi-general AIs"?
Thanks for any suggestions/thoughts, and my apologies if this has already been discussed at length on LessWrong.