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How did experiments with lucid dreaming pan out?

Did you do anything special to have lucid dreams?

Open Thread, January 4-10, 2016

How does one call a philosophical position that images have intrinsic meanining, rather than assigned one by the external observer?

What can be said about a person giving voice to such position? (with the purpose of understanding their position and how to best one could converse with them, if at all)

I am asking because I encountered such a person in a social network discussion about computer vision. They are saying that pattern recognition is not yet a knowledge of their meaning and yes, meaning is intrinsic to image.

All that comes to my mind is: I am not versed in philosophy, but it looks to me that science is based on the opposite premise and further discussion is meaningless.

4polymathwannabe5yTo me it sounds like semantic externalism [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_externalism], i.e. the view that meaning doesn't exist in your head but in physical reality.
Open Thread, Jun. 15 - Jun. 21, 2015

Way better for me; tango and soccer are practically dead to me; swimming is fun.

OTOH if you optimize for fitness benefits, I am almost sure swimming is not optimal: e.g. cardio training and weight lifting should be better.

You should really figure out what you wish to optimize for. If you want to optimize for 'everything' you should be fine doing 'anything' that looks like it helps it.

Stupid Questions May 2015

Haven't heard about such an accident. Why do you ask?

Can't figure how the second paragraph demonstrates that technological progress has ended (by the way, do you mean it stopped or it really reached its logical conclusion?). Rather, it illustrates its ever more rapid pace. And that might be a problem for science fiction: where formerly readers were excited to read fiction about strange new things that science could bring in the future, nowadays they are rather overwhelmed with the strange new things they already have, and afraid and unwilling to look into ... (read more)

0Lumifer6yIt might also have to do with the fact that cheery SF utopias are out of fashion at the moment and the dark and depressive dystopias are rather more prevalent.
Open Thread, May 4 - May 10, 2015

Thanks for bringing it to my attention! Having an interest in visual novels, interactive fiction and generally all forms of experimenting with good ol' prose that just might end up advancing 'state of the art' of fiction (I suppose I should call that ambition 'upgrading the prose' - have you seen this or that?) I was immediately attracted by your term 'a story-like object': I am interested in exactly the kind of stuff that might be hard to put a label on.

I decided to take a peek, and read through it all. Didn't expect to enjoy it like I did. You know, som... (read more)

The language of desire (post 2 of 3)

Let's hope part 3 will make sense of all of it.

Efficient Food

There's also SpoonRocket.

Though for some reason, this seems to only work just in some parts of the world: here in Russia even the grocery delivery seems to only be properly implemented in Moscow.

[LINK] Terry Pratchett is dead

I believe it's probably only because of the woefully under-developed state of cryonics itself that the practice of voluntary death through cryopreservation (cryothanasia) haven't been seriously researched: rather counter-intuitively, cryonics companies are too few and mostly have enough trouble on their hands to bother disrupting the status quo.

Getting frozen before you die can well be problematic, but not necessarily impossible in all jurisdictions. I believe it's just not well researched. Cryonics has low demand as it is, and cryothanasia requires even g... (read more)

2015 Repository Reruns - Boring Advice Repository

Your claim is worthless without context. Please provide some evidence: why is smartphone the highest ROI purchase for you and why do you think it will be worth it for others.

With smartphones as ubiquitous as they are today, computer-literate people who don't have them should have their reasons. You don' t provide any.

My reasons for not having a smartphone are: I predict that benefits of smartphone ownership will not justify the cost of ownership for me. The cost of ownership consists of:

One-time:

  • Researching and choosing a smartphone
  • Learning to use it an
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Overpaying for happiness?

Yes, I do think while I eat. Do you think it hurts?

0Capla6yNo. I'm just wondering if paying attention to your eating (instead of your thinking), might cause you to eat faster.
Negative polyamory outcomes?

I think the onus is on you to explain where do you think I oversimplify.

3atorm6yPeople tend to see relationships as more than contractual exchanges of favors. In this case it seems like gothgirl defines some of his self-worth from his ability to gain/keep partners, or at least draws some utility from having as many as his primary partner does. People are complicated and get a lot of different things out of their relationships.
2015 Repository Reruns - Boring Advice Repository

I know of Pareto principle, just haven't figured out that 'to 80/20' means 'to learn tax law 20%'. Makes sense in general; the only obvious problem I see here is: how do I know how much of the tax law is 20%? (seriously, at least a rough approximation?)

Negative polyamory outcomes?

poly is way too complicated

Exactly what do you find complicated in poly? The first time I heard about polyamory, I thought for a while, then thought, "hm, this makes sense". Monogamy, on the other hand, looks unnecessarily complicated to me.

4btrettel6yGreat question. The important qualification is for me. My main issue comes down to making sure that every partner I have is happy with our relationship. I barely have enough time to dedicate to one partner.
Negative polyamory outcomes?

polyamorous relationship with a "primary" would be a constant battle of sorts to ensure that I have a greater than or equal to number of dating prospects as my partner

Why would you want to do that? Don't you have anything more useful to do with your life?

I look at this hypothetical situation like this:

Situation: I have only one partner who in turn has multiple partners.

Pros:

  • I get to spend time with my partner while not needing to fulfill all of their needs.

Cons:

  • I don't get enough attention from my partner? But his can be discussed and ne
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6atorm6yI think you're oversimplifying feelings a bit.
Overpaying for happiness?

My metabolism is not necessarily that different, but my rate of eating is. For whatever reason, I eat slowly; probably in 10% slowest eating humans. At one point, having a lunch break on my job, I was choosing a lunch on the basis of which food I could eat the fastest, so that I can manage to eat my lunch on time (mostly porridge, which is healthy, I guess).

0Capla6yIntriguing. Do you think while you eat?
2015 Repository Reruns - Boring Advice Repository

Where would be a good place to discuss an old Boring Advice?

E.g. I have gave in and bought myself a smart phone last year, but the utility I derive from it is yet to turn positive. I should have been better off if I either allocated a significant portion of resources to learn using it properly, or not buy at all.

0eeuuah6yA smart phone is easily the highest roi purchase I've ever made. For people who don't have them, seriously it's worth it.
0RomeoStevens6yMost of the utility of mine is related to GPS/map search, note taking, setting alarms for reminders throughout the day, and packing dead time with reading my RSS feed so I don't waste productive time reading my RSS feed.
2015 Repository Reruns - Boring Advice Repository

80/20 tax law for your country

80/20 tax law.. what? Do you use '80/20' as a verb here?

3philh6yIt's referring to the Pareto principle [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle], "80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes". To 80/20 tax law would be to learn the 20% of tax law that gives you 80% of the benefits of knowing tax law.
Overpaying for happiness?

Sounds nice, but I'm afraid I would be eating all day if I would eat like this. And maybe even starve, still.

If the point is to get more enjoyment cheaply, for me this will turn out too expensive. I'm looking for ways to spend less time on eating, as it is. I'm pondering whether Soylent/Joylent/Abbott Ensure or other synthetic food as replacement for some of the meals will make my diet both healthier and faster.

0Capla6yI have found that humans generally eat way more than they need to, and that eating less causes me to have more energy. If you were practicing "focused eating" for every meal, I think you'd probably notice that you're full sooner and eat less. The only exception I can think of, if if you're doing heavy strength training, in which case you'll be ravenous. Disclaimer: I have no idea how generalizable my experience is. Your metabolism may differ significantly form mine.
December 2014 Media Thread

Here's an advent postcard I have received today in Fallen London:

"We've had our differences. But this is Christmas.

Best wishes, the Fallen London Probably Random Number Algorithm"

There was a pair of Devilbone Dice in the letter. I wonder what could they be good for?

Fallen London (formerly Echo Bazaar) is an alternative Victorian London with gothic and steampunk overtones", according to Wikipedia.

It won an Escapist Magazine's award for Browser-Based Game of 2009 (scroll to the end) and is, in fact, developed by the actual Londoners.

I am L... (read more)

November 2014 Media Thread

Ice-Bound: A Novel of Reconfiguration is an upcoming indie game combining an iPad app and an augmented reality-enabled print book by Aaron A. Reed and Jason Garbe.

Ice-Bound is a novel about an AI recreation of a struggling writer, brought to life to finish his now-legendary novel. The player looks at the printed compendium via their iPad to unlock the hidden reality between the lines; at the same time the pages that the player shows to AI writer that 'lives' in the iPad determine the story that he will write.

It is running a Kickstarter campaign that ends t... (read more)

0pragmatist7yJust to add to this recommendation, Aaron Reed's Blue Lacuna [http://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=ez2mcyx4zi98qlkh] is one of the best pieces of interactive fiction I've read/played. It's practically novel-length, well-written, contains some interesting puzzles to solve (or skip, if that's not your jam), and has some pretty rich world-building. And it's free. Also, for those interested in interactive fiction, Andrew Plotkin's long-delayed commercial IF Hadean Lands [http://hadeanlands.com/] is finally available. I haven't yet finished it, so I can't offer a fully informed recommendation, but I'm enjoying it so far. It's very puzzle-dense, and a lot of the puzzles center around its extremely elaborate alchemy system. Figuring out how alchemy works in the game has a sort of HPMOR-esque "apply rationalist methods to a magical system" feel. Avoid if you don't like having to sort through a deluge of information in order to solve puzzles and make progress. And, finally, if you are unfamiliar with Plotkin's work, I highly highly recommend Spider and Web [http://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=2xyccw3pe0uovfad], which is free to play. It also has the theme of figuring out how things work in an almost-but-not-quite-familiar setting (technological rather than magical, this time around). It has a very clever narrative hook, where you're a captured spy being inerrogated and the game is your (often unreliable) account of what happened. And it has probably the best narrative-integrated puzzle in any game I've played (you'll know it when you see it -- or solve it, rather). You'll need to install a Z-code interpreter like Gargoyle [http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/] to play any of these.
October 2014 Media Thread

Pathologic - called a pandemic simulator, a game about battling death itsealf, the most nonconventional game of 2005 made by Russian Studio Ice-Pick Lodge, is running a Kickstarter campaign for the remake.

For those who don't speak Russian, the hree-part article named 'Butchering Pathologic' by Quintin Smith on Rock, Paper, Shotgun (p. 2, p. 3) is recommended for acquaintance with the game. Yes, probably instead of playing the game itself, because the English translation it got was the one no game deserves, let alone this one. This time, with the remake, de... (read more)

Open thread, Sept. 1-7, 2014

There was an effort by some Less Wrong folks to experimentally prove the safety of lucid dreaming. Did this end with any conclusive results? Can I get in touch with you guys?

Speaking of lucid dreaming, the other day I ran into some very interesting research about tACS (the dual of tDCS) being used during REM sleep to induce lucid dreaming in naive subjects with something like a 50% success rate: "Induction of self awareness in dreams through frontal low current stimulation of gamma activity", Voss et al 2014.

Unfortunately, a bunch of reading up on the topic of tACS indicates that there aren't any really tACS devices available which are both safe & cheap. (Which is too bad, because with an effect size like that it... (read more)

[anonymous]7y10

Out of curiosity, do you suspect (let's say with p >= .05) that lucid dreaming is unsafe? Or do you know of someone on this site who does? I'd like to know why, because I lucid dream somewhat frequently. But I don't personally see any reason to think it would be less safe than regular dreaming, especially as I see awareness while dreaming as something on a sliding scale, not a binary "yes" or "no" question.

Open Thread, May 26 - June 1, 2014

I may have not stated what I wanted clearly. You seem to instruct me how to turn on the Bookmarks toolbar. That's not what I wanted. I don't use a Bookmarks toolbar in my browsers, as I don't feel like its benefits outweigh the space occupied by it and added visual clutter. I thought you were offering a way to put a bookmarklet elsewhere than the Bookmarks toolbar and I was asking you how could I do it. I'm pretty sure I did put a bookmarklet in a menu in Firefox once (that thing that goes "File Edit View History Tools Help"), but I forgot how. Or, I could use an advice re: how to add a bookmarklet at all, even let's say to a Bookmarks toolbar, as I never did it.

Thanks!

0Lumifer7yThe bookmarks toolbar is moveable. I typically drag it up top next to the menu bar so that my top bar is actually composed of two: it starts with Menu, but that one is short, so once it ends there is a separator and then bookmarks, on the same line.
2Tenoke7yYeah, it looked normal when I looked at it from work, but it was because I use Firefox there, as opposed to Chrome.
Open Thread, May 26 - June 1, 2014

How do I put bookmark in a toolbar? I would like to, as I don't use Bookmarks Toolbar.

0D_Malik7yIn Firefox, View -> Toolbars -> Bookmarks Toolbar. Not sure about other browsers, easiest would be to just google it.
The Cryonics Strategy Space

While some communities have enacted legislation allowing suicide with the assistance of a physician, any such case almost certainly would be followed by an autopsy which would include dissection of the brain.

I didn't think about this. Still, I would look more into that scenario. I am not sure Alcor has properly investigated all the options here: there are many countries in the world and maybe some would allow suicide cryonics.

You do know that cryonics is not just dropping a body or a brain in liquid nitrogen, don't you? Cellular damage in that scenario ... (read more)

Bostrom versus Transcendence

I keep wondering why, oh why can't more of the film production teams hire a decent screenwriter (that's the person who makes the story make sense, right)?

Open thread, 21-27 April 2014

I would like to learn drawing.

I would like to be able to have fun expressing myself via art. How long does it takes to learn to draw from zero to good enough not to be embarrassed of oneself?

What techniques are useful? Is there any sense in e.g. Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain?

1JayDee7yThere's an (unfinished) set of posts about rationality and drawing written by Raemon, Drawing LessWrong [http://lesswrong.com/lw/8f2/drawing_less_wrong_an_introduction/] p2 [http://lesswrong.com/lw/8f7/drawing_less_wrong_should_you_learn_to_draw/] p3 [http://lesswrong.com/lw/8fp/drawing_less_wrong_overview_of_skills_and/] p4 [http://lesswrong.com/lw/8i1/drawing_less_wrong_observing_reality/] p5 [http://lesswrong.com/lw/8mh/drawing_less_wrong_technical_skill/] that might answer your questions (in the articles or comments.)
6raisin7yDrawing from the real life is especially useful for someone who is learning to draw. It teaches you that drawing is not simply about holding a pen and drawing the correct lines, but it's also about seeing and thinking correctly. We tend to think in terms of shapes, outlines and symbols, but such things don't represent the reality very well. You should be thinking in terms of form and contour. Here's a good video about it. [http://ctrlpaint.com/videos/form-not-shape] I think this post is a good start: [http://www.reddit.com/r/learnart/comments/1r0422/learning_how_to_draw_using_my_tablet_i_would_be/cdit2p3] So draw a lot, draw from the real life and draw from reference and begin to think in 3D. I think Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is probably pretty effective because one of its main point is the above - that you should just draw what you see and not think in terms of symbols when you draw. The underlying idea about the brain hemispheres is pseudoscience, but that doesn't mean it can't still teach useful lessons.
Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014

I often find myself underestimating the time it takes to accomplish certain tasks. E.g. I think "ok, I'll send a couple of emails in 0.5 hours and move on to the bulk of the work" and it turns out it takes more like 5 hours, and not because I'm procrastinating; it actually takes me that much time to do it.

What about time-management? As far as I understand, GTD, while often described as time-management system, actually doesn't help you manage time. As far as I understand Allen (I have one chapter left, and after that I plan to read the notes I dow... (read more)

Group Rationality Diary, April 1-15

I want this one specifically, because it is as much of a computer as the one I currently do all my work on, plus a much more portable laptop, plus a tablet I can draw on.

I always wanted my computer to be as portable as possible, so that I could have no problem taking it with me anywhere. For me, that meant ThinkPad X series, which I happily own, and was thinking about getting a tablet version of. If you are not aware, research it: Lenovo, and IBM before that, was making all their ThinkPad X series computers available in tablet versions way before the recen... (read more)

Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014

The latter half of your question doesn't require the former. Why do people help each other on forums? That's why, I think.

Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014

I believe it's called 'lockscreen' on any modern smartphone. HTC One mini is an Android phone. What smartphone do you have?

Actually, one of the reasons I chose Android over iOS is because it has widgets and one can put a Google Calendar widget on the home screen, which I was told is very helpful. I've saved links to articles describing "Top 10 Android apps that do amazing things the iPhone can’t". I actually like the second one better: the first on the list is Event Flow Calendar Widget which looks like what you and the other guy was telling me a... (read more)

0drethelin7yI use an iPhone but I have it jailbroken.
Group Rationality Diary, April 1-15

I realized that when the number of projects in my life exceeds 2 (1 work and 1 hobby) the other things in my life are hardly ever done. I have decided to embrace GTD to stop being stressed about it and get more done.

I'm 70% through the book, bought myself a smartphone and going to buy a tablet as my new computer (actually, I could use your help with delivering the lartter). Never owned any of those, because I believed that they are only good for distractions. Please share your GTD setup and experience: what works for you and what doesn't?

If you have implem... (read more)

1VAuroch7yTablets are not terribly productive devices, and there is very little useful than can be done with them better than with a standard laptop or a smartphone (if you intend to develop apps for tablets, that's an obvious exception). Why do you want one?
Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014

Please share your GTD setup and experience: what works for you and what doesn't?

What software do you use and how?

I never owned a smartphone or a tablet, because I believed that they are mostly good for wasting time and effort on distractions (I have a Nokia 1202), but recently I gave in and bought an HTC One mini, because I believe it will help my productivity. Still getting used to the fact what goes for 'mini' these days, but that's the best phone I could find that looks well-made and not overly huge, short of the iPhone.

For my main computer I am running... (read more)

0listic7yI often find myself underestimating the time it takes to accomplish certain tasks. E.g. I think "ok, I'll send a couple of emails in 0.5 hours and move on to the bulk of the work" and it turns out it takes more like 5 hours, and not because I'm procrastinating; it actually takes me that much time to do it. What about time-management? As far as I understand, GTD, while often described as time-management system, actually doesn't help you manage time. As far as I understand Allen (I have one chapter left, and after that I plan to read the notes I downloaded in lieu of re-reading, because I still don't understand what my GTD should consist of) his position can be described as 1. Do I understand it right? 2. Do you feel you need a separate time management system in addition to GTD?
0moridinamael7yI use Nozbe [http://www.nozbe.com/a-Mafree] which provides an in-browser app, iOS, Android, Mac and Windows apps. No Linux app but you're covered with the in-browser app. I find it to be extremely robust in terms of syncing and in general having a smooth, fast, error-free "task capture," which is like 90% of what I need out of a GTD product. From that point you can organize tasks by either project or context. It also has really nice syncing with Evernote and with Google Calender which I use extensively, and also integration with Twitter and all kinds of other things which I don't use. In terms of what doesn't work, I've written elsewhere about how Emacs org-mode is superficially the Best Thing Evar but is actually an infinite timesink that will actually just eat all your tasks. You think you want total customizability but what you actually want is structure and the freedom from having to think.
0[anonymous]7yTodoist for all my GTDish lists. Works on every platform, fast, and beautiful.
0TylerJay7yActive Inbox [http://www.activeinboxhq.com/index.php] with Gmail and Google Calendar, synced with phone's calendar and mail app. Definitely more useful if a large number of your tasks originate as emails, but its easy to log a task with a button they add to send yourself an email. You can mark emails as "Action" or "Waiting On" (very helpful to keep track of things your'e waiting on others to get back to you for) and also set dates by which you're supposed to take the action or by when you need to receive a response. Keeps you from cluttering your calendar with non-time-specific actions as well. It adds a feature to log noes and subtasks on each email which falls in line with GTD's next-action list. Allows you to easily create "Project" folders to associate emails with when they're part of a project. It's designed to be a Gmail implementation of GTD and it's very effective for me.
5drethelin7yEXTREMELY helpful in getting me to remember and go to events is putting my calendar on my lockscreen (or whatever the equivalent is on your smartphone). This means that I'm reminded of what I have coming up in the next few days literally every time I pick up my phone.
Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014
  1. He has a lot of things to do. Offloading some of them is kind of the whole point of having assistants.
  2. Buying me a computer as employee benefit is difficult for the MIRI's accounting.

Did I answer your question?

1[anonymous]7yI guess my follow up question would be: if Luke is too busy to do this despite you being his assistant, why would you expect someone reading your comment to take the time and hassle to do it for no recompense?
Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014

If you live in the USA, I could use your help to buy a Microsoft Surface Pro 2 computer for myself. I live in Russia and Microsoft doesn't sell those here and refuses to ship; I have already tried using a US proxy and reshipping service, but the order doesn't go through: maybe it detects that I'm not in the US, or my debit card is not issued by US bank, or something else. Either way, I need someone's help in this.

Also, if you are a student, you should be eligible for 10% discount. But I'm not sure whether Microsoft actually checks this: I could click a cer... (read more)

0[anonymous]7ySorry, but I don't really have the disposable income to purchase this sort of computer.
6Stabilizer7yHonest question: If you're working as lukeprog's assistant, why don't you get lukeprog to do it?
Open Thread for February 11 - 17

I am going to organize a coaching course to learn Javascript + Node.js.

My particular technology of choice is node.js because:

  • If starting from scratch, having to learn just one language for both frontend and backend makes sense. Javascript is the only language you can use in a browser and you will have to learn it anyway. They say it's kind of Lisp or Scheme in disguise and a pretty cool language by itself.
  • Node.js is a modern asynchronous web framework, made by running Javascript code server-side on Google's open-source V8 JavaScript Engine It seems to b
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0Emile7yI would suggest using AngularJs instead, since it can be purely client-side code, you don't need to deal with anything server-side. There are also some nice online development environments like codenvy that can provide a pretty rich environment and I belieave have some collaburative features too (instead of using dropbox, doodle and slideshare, maybe). If all those technologies seem intimidating, some strategies: * Focus on a subset, i.e. only html and css * Use Anki a lot - I've used anki to put in git commands, AngularJS concepts and CSS tricks so that even if I wasn't actively working on a project using those, they'd stay at the back of my mind.
Tulpa References/Discussion

the thing that tulpas contribute is something 99% of people have in overabundance

And that is..?

1Armok_GoB7yNot sure what the actual name is. Social agent? Valid relationship target? Person-ness? Companionship?
Tulpa References/Discussion

I believe that tulpas expend host's attention, unless proven otherwise.

Why do you think that attention is a central part of human thinking?

Here's what I am thinking: Attention seems to be a crucial and finite resource. I could certainly become more productive if I become more attentive, and vice versa. If creating a tulpa expends my attention, it is a negative-sum game for me; if it makes me training attention as a side effect, that's good, but not better than just training attention.

Have you never had the experience that you searched for a piece o

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0Yuu7yExocortex is what you need. There are methods to remember things better, to wake up at a specific time, to make unconscious mind work for you. The last one may be disputable technique, because there are still debates regarding work of unconscious mind. But you do not need tulpa for that. By the way, I have some well-detailed characters from role-playing game of mine, they act much like tulpas but without visual image in surrounding environment. I just have their pictures and appearances in mind. Another difference is that the most of them do not know about me, because they live in my imaginary world. But this world is very similar to ours, so I can easily provide one of them access to the LessWrong site and this character can even participate in conversations. Also I can arrange a meeting with me as an imaginary copy or even provide them information that they are imaginary characters.
1ChristianKl7yI think the process illustrates that a brain process can run quite well without any conscious attention. Given my current knowledge on the topic I can't see a 7-day build a Tulpa seminar. Given the reported timeframes, it seem unclear if you can achieve those results in that timeframe. A tulpa needs a lot of investment in cognitive resources over a timeframe that makes that business model hard. You could probably write a book about how you got a tulpa and that tulpa is amazing. If you are a good writer that might sell copies and you can make money on speaking fees. But most of the customers in that model probably wouldn't build a tulpa. Take a look at mnemonics. It's no problem for a human to memorize a deck of playing cards in a minute. Competitive mnemonics folks can memorize human faces and names in amazing speeds. Yet we live in a world where a lot of people are uncomfortable with memorizing names. Unfortunately explaining to those folks how to use mnemonics to remember names in a 2-day seminar usually doesn't have a lasting effect. They do manage to use the technique during the seminar without problems, but they can't integrate constant usage in their daily lives. Tulpa are a more complicated subject. If you would want to create a Tulpa that has the ability to change around your perception of time, that would need a strong amount of trust that the Tulpa will use his power wisely. If you can't manage to have that level of trust, you won't be successful. You can't pretend to cheat and pretend to trust the Tulpa. You can't make an utility calculation on paper and bring your brain to trust, on the level that required. You would need genuine deep trust. Issues like a lack of ability to switch on trust on command are the things that constrain what the average person will be able to do with a tulpa. But in some sense there are good reasons for having mental barriers that prevent you from easily changing things about your mind on that level. If you would j
1Armok_GoB7yThe problem is the thing that tulpas contribute is something 99% of people have in overabundance, and those that don't have it don't because it can't be transported to them efficiently not due to sacricity. Tulpas are duplicate of the software almost all human minds already run, and that software was already utilizing all the resources as effectively as it can any. Their only real use (companionship) is already a hack, and other than that they are a technical curiosity, sort of like quining computer programs.
Tulpa References/Discussion

I've thought at your reply for a while and I still can't understand it. Care to explain?

Why would one want to "turn duplicates of the same person into new unique persons rapidly" and how? How would that help and why would one otherwise have to simulate an entire childhood?

0Armok_GoB7yI'm not sure, but most all-upload scifi societies simulate entire childhood for that reason. Maybe you already know and have gotten bored of each of the few billion people that were around when everyone uploaded and want to meet someone new? Or maybe minds get diminishing returns n utility with increasing resources and so having more minds is more efficient beyond a certain amount of total resources.
Tulpa References/Discussion

One of the documented features of Tulpa is already waking up people from sleep.

That's interesting. Do you have a link for this?

I believe that tulpas expend host's attention, unless proven otherwise. Tulpamancers haven't proven that they can be more effective than other people by any metric, and I suspect that having a tulpa is a zero-sum game in absence of some brain upgrade that would expand some bottleneck in our mind.

1ChristianKl7yI saw it multiple time while reading through the tulpa sites but I don't have a special link for it. But it's nothing surprising to me. Waking up at a specific time is an ability that plenty of people [http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pms.1980.50.2.503?journalCode=pms] have without exerting too much effort. It's interesting ability because there's no step-by-step instruction to do it that works predictably. It works by intending to wake up at a specific time and then let your unconscious figure out the rest. There a study who suggest that people who went through university are worse at it. Why do you think that attention is a central part of human thinking? Have you never had the experience that you searched for a piece of information in your mind and can't find it, then two hours later it pops into your mind? From what I read of the field there nobody even making a business out of the topic, that would incentivise them to proof something to the outside world. From a bayesian perspective there no reason to expect a strong effort into proving effects.
What if Strong AI is just not possible?

Then, what would that make homo sapiens who can hunt wild beasts in savannah and design semiconductor chips if not generally intelligent?

I think a human cognitive bias is to think that something about which we have a coherent idea is coherent in implementation. As an engineer, I think that this is a bias that is clearly wrong. A well designed smartphone, especially an Apple product, appears quite coherent, it appears "right." There is a consistency to its UI, to what a swipe or a back press or whatever does in one app and in another. The consistency in how it appears causes the human to think the consistency must be built in, that the design of such a consistent thing must be ... (read more)

8Baughn7yA bundle of widely but not universally applicable tricks?
Tulpa References/Discussion

Here's a science-fiction/futurism kind of question:

What minimal, realistic upgrade to our brain could we introduce for tulpas to gain an evident increase in utility? What I have in mind here is make your tulpa do extra work or maybe sort and filter your memories while you sleep; I'm thinking of a scenario where Strong AI and wholesale body/brain upgrades are not available, yet some minor upgrade makes having a tulpa an unambiguous advantage.

0ChristianKl7yI don't see why a Tulpa might need extra "brain upgrades" to do something while you sleep. One of the documented features of Tulpa is already waking up people from sleep. Tulpa aren't well researched so it's not quite clear what one can maximally do with them. It might for example be possible to let a tulpa change the set point for your own blood pressure. It just a variable in the brain so there no real reason why a tulpa shouldn't be able to influence it. Changing personal time perception on demand would be a very useful skill. Even at a task like pair programming a programmer with a tulpa might outperform one without one. A tulpa could do mnemonics automatically to make it easy to remember information. It would be interesting if someone with a bunch of tulpa would win the memory would championship.
1Armok_GoB7yProbably only one thing: turning duplicates of the same person into new unique persons rapidly. Aka, a cheaper replacement for the kind of application where you'd otherwise have to simulate an entire childhood.
Tulpa References/Discussion

It would be nice if you found its name. Doesn't one's body need rest?

1drethelin7yIt's called Tails You Lose. I think there's a rest time of 30 minutes or something between the other consciousness waking up? The need for body rest is handled by cyborg tech.
Tulpa References/Discussion

Think about the impact on the whole society; anyone you meet anywhere could be a virtual personality.

That doesn't seem to imply much. It's still some distinct personality. What should have an impact is the fact that now there are two personalities inhabiting a single body at different times: when you meet me at daytime, it's really me, but when you meet me at night - that's a different person. Unless I've borked my "sleep" schedule and that's still me; then I might be not-me at some time during the day. That should... take some getting used to... (read more)

Tulpa References/Discussion

My ideas of sci-fi story may be similar to yours; though they require some fleshing out.

In your story idea, does the second personality ever take physical control of your body? Can it physically go to work or should it be limited to working online, say via brain implant, while your body is sleeping? If the latter, how does it perceive its 8 hours of work? What happens if you suddenly wake up in the middle of the night?

What does it think it do during 16 hours of your uptime?

Can you directly communicate to your second personality? I guess, you can (like you'... (read more)

0Viliam_Bur7yAnyone feel completely free to use any parts of what I wrote here, because I am absolutely not interested in writing that story anymore. Yet. It is fully in control of the body (except that it does not know about the original personality, and the original personality can pause them at any time). Maybe some of your colleagues at work are like this, you never know. Or even outside of the work... just like people enjoy spending their time watching TV, they can find it interesting to create the second personality even for their free time and just observe it from inside. Speaking from outside of the story -- this creates much more opportunities. Think about the impact on the whole society; anyone you meet anywhere could be a virtual personality. False memories. Your choice. You have an equivalent of full hypnotic power over them. To avoid too much work with programming them every day, a reasonable default choice would be to make them remember everything but think that they did it. I didn't think about it. My first answer would be no, because that would ruin the illusion that they are the real thing. -- However, choose the option that gives you better story.
Tulpa References/Discussion

If you explain things away with magical technology you aren't really writing sci-fi but you are writing fantasy.

What is your problem with a story where it is possible to create a second personality in your brain using technology? (let's discuss just this story idea here, but not Inception, for clarity). As far as my understanding of the issue goes, tulpas are likely using their host's mental resources in a way, so to create a second personality that is capable of independent work during host's downtime, some kind of hardware upgrade for a host's mind sh... (read more)

3ChristianKl7yI think you likely ignorant about a lot of practical aspects that come up when one creates a second personality inside a person if you never talked to someone who dealt with the issue on a practical level. I particularly don't believe in the need to have a full persona that's unaware of the host. I heard an anecdote on a hypnosis seminar about a hypnotherapist who created a secondary persona in a college student to help the student learn. Every morning the second persona would first wake up and learn. Then it went to sleep and after a hour the real person would wake up. I don't remember the detail exactly but I think without a awareness of they exact memory of the morning. But there was no issue of the second persona, not fulfilling the role. She was the role. The same goes for Tulpas. A Tulpa doesn't go around disapproving of the host actions but is on a fundamental level accepting of the host. If there's a real clash I doubt that censoring memories would be enough to prevent psychological harm. We have reports of people sleep walking which you could label "independent work during host's downtime". Secondly to a point time spent in meditation usually reduces the need for sleep. But there are probably still physical processes that you don't want to skip so some limited time of real sleep is probably always important. But I don't think Villiam suggested that people in his society effectively don't sleep.
What if Strong AI is just not possible?

That's another possibility I didn't think of.

I guess I was really interested in a question "Why could Strong AI turn out to be impossible to build by human civilization in a century or ten?"

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