All of Naryan Wong's Comments + Replies

I agree with your comment - at a typical meetup this would invite raised eyebrows. For the retreat we're running, we pick the invite list carefully. Participants will have a baseline level of rationality, with about a third of participants with experience in circling, half with meditation, and a handful of 'context artists'.

Never having run these activities before, it will be interesting to see how it works out :)

Sounds like an interesting crew. I'm also interested to hear how it goes!

Three Activities We Might Run at Our Next Rationality+ Retreat

There is lots of context about who 'we' are, why I called it 'Rationality+', and what the 'retreat' is, but for the moment I'd just like to toss the activity ideas out into the community to see what happens. Happy to answer questions on any of the context or activities in the comments.

1. Tracking - The ability to follow how the components of a group (you, others, the environment) interact to co-create a group experience. The ability to observe how the group e... (read more)

2Matt Goldenberg3y
These sound like excellent exercises to submit to CFAP [ ] .
Those activities all sound fun and useful, and my gut also says that this will be foreign to a lot of people (i.e most of my friends / people I know at meetups) and it won't actually turn out that well (that's not at all me suggesting to avoid these ideas). Are the people at your meetup already used to these sorts of activities?

Meta-moves may look off-topic from the object level

Halfway through a double-crux about efficient markets, my interlocutor asks how I'm feeling.

I'm deciding where to go for lunch and my friend asks me if I'm ready for the presentation in the afternoon.

I'm planning my road-trip route on Waze and my partner asks what time we plan on leaving.

Imagine if every time someone mentions something you consider irrelevant or off-topic, instead of dismissing it - you view it as a meta-move and considered their meta-frame on your thinking.

Thanks for the write up! I'd definitely be interested in seeing more detailed descriptions of the techniques, as well as any long-term plans or goals for the workshop.

1Linda Linsefors4y
Our current goal is to gather more information. Which method should we teach and how should we teach it? Is what we are teaching actual useful? To find this out we indent to: 1) Run various versions of the workshop 2) Experiment with various forms online teaching 3) Follow up with participants about what has been useful to them We have also made a strategic decision to mostly learn from our own experiences, to hopefully find new local optimums for what and how to teach these types of things. Because of the stage we are at, the quickest way for you to get more information about techniques would be to attend one of the workshop. We would like to eventually do something more scalable (e.g. realizing video lectures), but first we'll need to do a lot more testing.

I think it's more about what the world looks like at the end of a long economic boom: the price/earnings of the overall market is really high, since valuations have grown faster than the underlying economic earnings. I think of P/E as a measure of market enthusiasm - high P/E means people have strong expectations of future growth. Historically, it seems that markets are magically corrected to mirror the actual growth of the economy over the long run. Currently the Schiller P/E is well above it's average - meaning the market may be 'over-v... (read more)