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NLP Position Paper: When Combatting Hype, Proceed with Caution

Yeah, this all sounds right, and it's fairly close to the narrative I was using for my previous draft, which had a section on some of these motives.

The best defense I can give of the switch to the hype-centric framing, FWIW:

  • The paper is inevitably going to have to do a lot of chastising of authors. Giving the most charitable possible framing of the motivations of the authors I'm chastising means that I'm less likely to lose the trust/readership of those authors and anyone who identifies with them.
  • An increasingly large fraction of NLP work—possibly even a m
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NLP Position Paper: When Combatting Hype, Proceed with Caution


I can see the comment at the comment-specific AF permalink here:

...but I can't see it among the comments at the base post URL here. 

From my experience with the previous comment, I expect it'll appear at the latter URL once I reply?

[Old technique] had [problem]...

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4Pattern1moI'm on this page: [] It seems it's an issue specific to AF communicating with LW. ETA: I let someone know on this site using the thing in the lower right, for 'sharing feedback.'
NLP Position Paper: When Combatting Hype, Proceed with Caution

Thanks! Tentative rewrite for the next revision:

It harms our credibility in ways that can make it harder to mitigate present-day harms from NLP deployments. It also limits our ability to prepare for the potentially enormous impacts of more distant future advances.

I tried to stick to 'present-day' over 'short-term', but missed this old bit of draft text in the abstract. 

NLP Position Paper: When Combatting Hype, Proceed with Caution

Thanks! (Typo fixed.)

[Old technique] had [problem]...

For this point, I'm not sure how it fits into the argument. Could you say more?

Is there any empirical base...

Yeah, this is a missed opportunity that I haven't had the time/expertise to take on. There probably are comparable situations in the histories of other applied research fields, but I'm not aware of any good analogies. I suspect that a deep dive into some history-and-sociology-of-science literature would be valuable here.

What if the impact grows dramatically as...they get deployed widely? ...

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2Pattern2moAh. When you say lightcone forums, what site are you on? What does the URL look like? It's probably a tangent. The idea was: 1) Criticism is great. 2) Explaining how that could be improved is marginally better. (I then explained for that case* how citing 'old evidence' or 'old stuff' could still apply to new stuff. It was kind of a niche application of evidence though. If someone had a good reason for using the old evidence, elaborating on that reason might help.) *In abstract terms - I didn't have any examples in mind.
NLP Position Paper: When Combatting Hype, Proceed with Caution

Thanks—fixed! (The sentence-final period got folded into the URL.)

Imitative Generalisation (AKA 'Learning the Prior')

Another very minor (but briefly confusing) nit: The notation in the `Example' section is inconsistent between probabilities and log probabilities. It introduces (etc.) as a probability, but then treats it as a log probability in the line starting with 'We find the '.