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Review: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs

I'm the opposite. My first two languages are VSO, so VSO ordering (function first, then arguments) comes naturally to me. Some languages are SOV -- Japanese is the most prominent example. Don't think I know of any proglangs with that form of syntax, though.

3Richard_Kennaway1mo
In programming, SOV is known as Reverse Polish Notation. First must the arguments come before the operation you write. Forth and Postscript such languages are.
The Rationalist-Etcetera Diaspora: A SPREADSHEET!!

There is also r/TheMotte, which formed from a schism in r/slatestarcodex. It mostly discusses culture war issues. The reason they split is that Scott was getting concerned that culture war discussion in his subreddit would attract the Eye of Sauron, which is why he asked people to make a new subreddit to discuss culture war (and also made it such that culture war discussion was now prohibited in r/slatestarcodex). Recently, however, the Reddit admins have been making moves to potentially ban the subreddit, so they are thinking about moving elsewhere.

Most of their content is centered on the Culture War Roundup thread, which refreshes weekly. Several posts are made per day.

7Yitz1mo
Not personally a fan of the subreddit, as it doesn't honestly seem all that rational at the end of the day. That being said, enough people there identify with the community that it should probably be included.
Why you are psychologically screwed up

Your links are broken and lead me to an "onboarding" page. The links when I use the original page on Blogger do, however.

1R Bruns3mo
Fixed, thanks for pointing that out.
3Andre3mo
I have the same issue. I think this is caused by the broken links being to "edit" versions of the posts.
Why I want to make a logical language

If you however put effort into thinking through the primitives of your language, you can actually easily make words that are understood without having to be learned specifically.

I highly doubt this is true or possible in any meaningful degree. There have already been several conlangs that try this -- Lojban is one with its compounding system, another is Toki Pona. While it's definitely possible to have compounds whose meaning is related to their components, each context a specific component is going to have to be interpreted in its own special way. Again, because of context. You're going to have to learn something explicitly regardless.

2ChristianKl3mo
I gave an example of my friend having an experience where Esperanto already allowed him to have a conservation about meditation that he couldn't have had easily in English or German which are the languages he otherwise speaks. Lojban put little effort into it as evidenced by having words for individual cardinal directions instead of going for a more systematic approach. When it comes to family relations and also for things like lover/metamour, you would model them mathematical as a graph plus a context. Systematizing a language allows you to have words for things like metamour that are immediately understood.
The 'Why's of an International Auxiliary Language (IAL part 1)

English is the current "language Z" currently, but I agree that the language Z could be better. Are you planning on designing an IAL? I only do loglangs, so I can't help (or help to a meaningful degree), but I'm interested in reading your plans if you do have plans.

1Long try3mo
Absolutely! My plan does heavily involves designing an IAL, but it will NOT ever be an one-man project. Instead, it must seek help from all talents from a wide range of disciplines.
Phonology | Sekko

Hm, you're right about the apostrophe. Toaq and Eberban use the apostrophe for the glottal stop. Lojban uses the period. What other glyph do you suggest? x? Of the letters in the English alphabet, the following are not used by Sekko: j f v w x.

1Aransentin3mo
Yeah, x seems the most appropriate candidate. It sufficiently rare in English to not trip people up too much, from a cursory glance at Wikipedia it's at least used for that purpose in Pirahã [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language#Consonants], and it even looks like a little pictographic "stop" symbol. Edit: Oh, apologies, I completely misunderstood the part where "ņ" was actually written with the letter "q". Nevermind that part!
Phonology | Sekko

In truth, the phonology is unimportant for making a loglang. For making an artlang or an auxlang (auxillary language), phonology is very important -- but not for loglangs. It's more of an aesthetic choice. Also, I'm not very good at phonology. I used to have a loglang partner who co-created the language with me, but she left early on because of mental health issues.

Conlang making is weird because it's less "design" and more like...feeling what feels right. There are certain things that seem correct and certain things that feel wrong based on which elements... (read more)

3ChristianKl3mo
I don't see any reason to think of strict categories like auxlang and loglang that are mutually exclusive. The notion of a loglang means that you want your language to fulfill certain criteria and are thus willing to make it a bit harder to learn, but that doesn't mean that ease of learning the language is irrelevant. Lojban itself goes through exercises like making it's terms resemble existing words to be easier to learn.
Why I want to make a logical language

In English, it's not possible to construct easily a word that refers to "someone who has the same teacher as me" or "someone who reads the same blog as me".

I don't see how it's useful to make words (i.e. separate lexemes) for these concepts, when they're better expressed as phrases. The relationship of "parent-child-sibling" (in the genetic sense) is more fundamental than "employee-boss" because the former is immutable. You cannot lose your genetic relation, whereas you can separate from your boss. I also think it's good that "coworker" doesn't imply ha... (read more)

2ChristianKl3mo
Phrases take more effort than having words for things. In practice that usually results in people being vaguer about what they mean and less conversational bandwidth. Generally, when people are doing new things they need new words. In the poly community, you for example have people talking about metamours (which is someone who is in a relationship with the same person as you). While it's possible to express that as a phrase, it's something that's important enough to have it's own word. In English, a newly made word like this is not able to be understood by people who haven't heard it before. If you however put effort into thinking through the primitives of your language, you can actually easily make words that are understood without having to be learned specifically. There can be context where the ability to have a word for a person who has the same boss is important and contexts where it's not important to have such a word. A language that makes it easy to have such words when needed is superior when it comes to speaking about new domains of knowledge. It's possible that a new language would be superior enough over existing languages to be used in a new domain of knowledge that people prefer to write in it over writing in English. If you follow the alphabet m would be the next consonant. My main point here is that you can have structure that can give order that make learning easier that doesn't depend on the words being phonetically similar. This is especially true if you reuse the structures.
Why I want to make a logical language

Anaphora is super complicated, and I've thought long and hard about how to express them. Each loglang has its own ways of dealing with anaphors. Yes, you are correct that Lojban anaphora is poorly designed. There's the ko'V series, the vo'V series, goi, the letteral series...it's really bad.

Most people use a variant of the ko'V series. How it works is that you bind a variable to ko'a (or the others in the series), and then when you repeat "ko'a", it recalls the bound variable. The extremely big issue with this is that it requires forethought. It's fine whe... (read more)

2ChristianKl3mo
In English, it's not possible to construct easily a word that refers to "someone who has the same teacher as me" or "someone who reads the same blog as me". If you have a wordpair like employee and boss the nearest equivalent for sibling is coworker but even that doesn't specifically mean someone who has the same boss as you. If you create a new language and just try to create words for important concepts like employee, boss, child, parent, student and teacher which is roughly what Lojban did you can't reuse the same structure as easily as you would be able if you put more thought into identifying the relations that there are and how to systematize them. If you have a language like English with words like see, watch, hear and listen and need a similar term for as listen for taste you can make up a new word. Making up the new word is relatively cheap. The problem is that your listener doesn't automatically understand the new word. The speaker and listener have to engage in an effort to learn the new word and can't just construct it on the fly and be understood. Lojban made its own words for concepts like north and south instead of creating a more systematic approach. If you have a more systematic approach you could have something like X degrees in reference system Y where north would made up of two syllables. One syllable would refer to something like "0 degree on a plane" and the other syllable about "cardinal direction". Then east is one syllable for "90 degree on a plane" + the syllable for "cardinal direction". Once you have such a system you can reuse it in different contexts. You then can afford to have words for more than just 0, 90, 180, and 270 degrees. In aviation in practice, they refer to "there's another plane at 2 o'clock" which is quite complex way to reuse the concept of the clock to have more than just 4 distinctions of directions in a plane. Once you have a system that can be reused, it might become more natural to state your political positi
Why I want to make a logical language

You're right! I totally forgot to talk about monoparsing. I really shouldn't have missed that.

I don't like the design choices that Lojban and Toaq made. The latter much less so, but there are still aspects I dislike. I wanted to see if I could, if not do better, at least go in a different direction. It's why I use Livagian or Eberbanian style grammar with no "main verb", and use agglutinative morphology rather than analytic.

You can post anything on LessWrong as a personal blogpost. From the LessWrong FAQ:

What can I post on LessWrong? Posts on practically

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2[anonymous]3mo
Just FYI you posted to the front page, not your personal blog.
Phonology | Sekko

I thought very much about having a simple high-low tone accent system like Japanese or Ancient Greek. It would make SSM very, very easy and simple, given that I can just make word beginnings take the high tone and continuing syllables take the low tone (or the reverse). However, I'm unduly biased against tonemes, so I didn't include them. Toaq is a loglang with a seven tone system, if you're into tonemes.

Stress will not. I already have phonemic vowel length and consonant length. The only remaining differences possible are tone (which is pitch accent), and volume. I don't want to have volemes (do those even exist?).

Why I want to make a logical language

Yes, I do intend it to be as expressive as natlangs. It will be very difficult, but I want to try.

I'm planning on Sekko vocabulary to be fully a-priori. I actually haven't made many word forms aside from those in example sentences. I'm considering using a Lojban style word-blending system to derive words, except that I would only select languages that have phonemic vowel and consonant length distinctions, like Finnish, Japanese, and Classical Latin.

Singapore - Small casual dinner meetup

Update: I'll still be going, but I forgot to take care of an errand. I'll likely be late on the order of 30min. Please do not wait for me.

1Joe Rocca4mo
No problem 👍
Singapore - Small casual dinner meetup

I'm confirming that I'm coming. I might talk about the loglang I've been developing for about three months now.

Singapore - Small casual dinner meetup

Hello, I'm interested in meeting. I've been reading LW (and adjacent stuff) for a while now, but I mostly lurk.

[Book Review] "The Bell Curve" by Charles Murray

Possible typo: "Being smart causes work-inhibiting disability." given that the chart you then show says the opposite.

2lsusr6mo
It was a typo. Fixed. Thanks.