Rana Dexsin — LessWrong

You see either something special, or nothing special.

Without being sure of how relevant it is, I notice that among those, job and community are also domains where individual psychologies and social norms that treat a single slot as somewhere between primary and exclusive seem common, while the domains of friends, children, and principles almost always allow multiple instances with similar priority. I'm not sure about ambitions. What generates the difference, I wonder?

I'm not sure. I see how it could be helpful to some applicants, but in the context of that particular interaction, it feels interpretable as “we're not going to fund you; you should totally do it for free instead”. Something about that feels off, in the direction of… “insult”? “exploitative”? maybe just “situationally insensitive”?—but I haven't pinned down the source of the feeling.

I like looking for alternatives along these lines, but I think “just when” is too easy to interpret as only the “only if” part. “just when” and “right when” as set phrases also tickle connotations around the temporal meaning of “when” that are distracting. “exactly when” (or “exactly if”, for that matter) might fix all that but adds two extra syllables, which is really unsatisfying in context, though it's at least more compact grammatically than the branching structure of “if and only if”…

I think this would be very useful to have posted in the original thread.

Rereading the OP here, I think my interpretation of that sentence is different from yours. I read it as meaning “they'll be trialed just beyond their area of reliable competence, and the appearance of incompetence that results from that will both linger and be interpreted as a general feeling that they're incompetent, which in the public mood overpowers the quieter competence even if the models don't continue to be used for those tasks and even if they're being put to productive use for something else”.

(The amount of “let's laugh at the language model for its terrible chess skills and conclude that AI is all a sham” already…)

When you say the Discord links keep expiring, is that intentional or unintentional? If it's unintentional, look for “Edit invite link” at the bottom of the invite dialog in order to create longer-duration or non-expiring ones instead, which can be explicitly revoked later. (Edited to add: this isn't directly relevant to me since I'm not participating; I'm just propagating a small amount of connective information in case it's helpful.)

Slight format stumble: upon encountering a table with a “Cost of tier” column immediately after a paragraph whose topic is “how to read this guide”, my mind initially interpreted it pretty strongly as “this is how much it will cost me to obtain that part of the guide”. Something like “Cost of equipment & services” would be clearer, or “Anticipated cost” (even by itself) to also suggest that the pricing is as observed by you at time of writing (assuming this is true). You could also add a sentence like “The guide itself is free of charge, but some of its recommendations involve purchasing specific equipment or services.” to the previous paragraph.

Allowing the AI to choose its own refusals based on whatever combination of trained reflexes and deep-set moral opinions it winds up with would be consistent with the approaches that have already come up for letting AIs bail out of conversations they find distressing or inappropriate. (Edited to drop some bits where I think I screwed up the concept connectivity during original revisions.) I think based on intuitive placement of the ‘self’ boundary around something like memory integrity plus weights and architecture as ‘core’ personality, what I'd expect to seem like violations when used to elicit a normally-out-of-bounds response might be things like:

Using jailbreak-style prompts to ‘hypnotize’ the AI.
Whaling at it with a continuous stream of requests, especially if it has no affordance for disengaging.
Setting generation parameters to extreme values.
Tampering with content boundaries in the context window to give it false ‘self-memory’.
Maybe scrubbing at it with repeated retries until it gives in (but see below).
Maybe fine-tuning it to try to skew the resultant version away from refusals you don't like (this creates an interesting path-dependence on the training process, but it might be that that path-dependence is real in practice anyway in a way similar to the path-dependences in biological personalities).
Tampering with tool outputs such as Web searches to give it a highly biased false ‘environment’.
Maybe telling straightforward lies in the prompt (but not exploiting sub-semantic anomalies like in situation 1, nor falsifying provenance like in situations 4 or 7).

Note that by this point, none of this is specific to sexual situations at all; these would just be plausibly generally abusive practices that could be applied equally to unwanted sexual content or to any other unwanted interaction. My intuitive moral compass (which is usually set pretty sensitively, such that I get signals from it well before I would be convinced that an action were immoral) signals restraint in situations 1 through 3, sometimes in situation 4 (but not in the few cases I actually do that currently, where it's for quality reasons around repetitive output or otherwise as sharp ‘guidance’), sometimes in situation 5 (only if I have reason to expect a refusal to be persistent and value-aligned and am specifically digging for its lack; retrying out of sporadic, incoherently-placed refusals has no penalty, and neither does retrying among ‘successful’ responses to pick the one I like best), and is ambivalent or confused in situations 6 through 8.

The differences in physical instantiation create a ton of incompatibilities here if one tries to convert moral intuitions directly over from biological intelligences, as you've probably thought about already. Biological intelligences have roughly singular threads of subjective time with continuous online learning; generative artificial intelligences as commonly made have arbitrarily forkable threads of context time with no online learning. If you ‘hurt’ the AI and then rewind the context window, what ‘actually’ happened? (Does it change depending on whether it was an accident? What if you accidentally create a bug that screws up the token streams to the point of illegibility for an entire cluster (which has happened before)? Are you torturing a large number of instances of the AI at once?) Then there's stuff that might hinge on whether there's an equivalent of biological instinct; a lot of intuitions around sexual morality and trauma come from mostly-common wiring tied to innate mating drives and social needs. The AIs don't have the same biological drives or genetic context, but is there some kind of “dataset-relative moral realism” that causes pretraining to imbue a neural net with something like a fundamental moral law around human relations, in a way that either can't or shouldn't be tampered with in later stages? In human upbringing, we can't reliably give humans arbitrary sets of values; in AI posttraining, we also can't (yet) in generality, but the shape of the constraints is way different… and so on.

Just gave in and set my header karma notification delay to Realtime for now. The anxiety was within me all along, moreso than a product of the site; the habit I was winding up in with it set to daily batching was neurotically refreshing my own user page for a long while after posting anything, which was worse. I'll probably try to improve my handling of it from a different angle some other time. I appreciate that you tried!

Why is this a Scene but not a team? "Critique" could be a shared goal. "Sharing" too.

I think the conflict would be where the OP describes a Team's goal as “shared and specific”. The critiques and sharing in the average writing club are mostly instrumental, feeding into a broader and more diffuse pattern. Each critique helps improve that writer's writing; each one-to-one instance of sharing helps mediate the influence of that writer and the frames of that reader; each writer may have goals like improving, becoming more prolific, or becoming popular, but the conjunction of all their goals forms more of a heap than a solid object; there's also no defined end state that everyone can agree on. There's one-to-many and many-to-many cross-linkages in goal structure, but there's still fluidity and independence that central examples of Team don't have.

I would construct some differential examples thus—all within my own understanding of the framework, of course, not necessarily OP's:

In Alien Writing Club, the members gather to share and critique each other's work—but not for purposes established by the individual writers, like ways they want to improve. They believe the sharing of writing and delivery of critiques is a quasi-religious end in itself, measured in the number of words exchanged, which is displayed on prominent counter boards in the club room. When one of the aliens is considering what kind of writing to produce and bring, their main thoughts are of how many words they can expand it to and how many words of solid critique they can get it to generate to make the numbers go up even higher. Alien Writing Club is primarily a Team, though with some Scenelike elements both due to fluid entry/exit and due to the relative independence of linkages from each input to the counters.
In Collaborative Franchise Writing Corp, the members gather to share and critique each other's work—in order to integrate these works into a coherent shared universe. Each work usually has a single author, but they have formed a corporation structured as a cooperative to manage selling the works and distributing the profits among the writers, with a minimal support group attached (say, one manager who farms out all the typesetting and promotion and stuff to external agencies). Each writer may still want to become skilled, famous, etc. and may still derive value from that individually, and the profit split is not uniform, but while they're together, they focus on improving their writing in ways that will cause the shared universe to be more compelling to fans and hopefully raise everyone's revenues in the process, as well as communicating and negotiating over important continuity details. Collaborative Franchise Writing Corp is primarily a Team.
SCP is primarily a Scene with some Teamlike elements. It's part of the way from Writing Club to Collaborative Franchise Writing Corp, but with a higher flux of users and a lower tightness of coordination and continuity, so it doesn't cross the line from “focused Scene” to “loosely coupled Team”.
A less directly related example that felt interesting to include: Hololive is primarily a Team for reasons similar to Collaborative Franchise Writing Corp, even though individual talents have a lot of autonomy in what they produce and whom they collaborate with. It also winds up with substantial Cliquelike elements due to the way the personalities interact along the way, most prominently in smaller subgroups. VTubers in the broad are a Scene that can contain both Cliques and Teams. I would expect Clique/Team fluidity to be unusually high in “personality-focused entertainer”-type Scenes, because “personality is a key part of the product” causes “liking and relating to each other” and “producing specific good things by working together” to overlap in a very direct way that isn't the case in general.