Vanessa Kosoy

AI alignment researcher supported by MIRI and LTFF. Working on the learning-theoretic agenda. Based in Israel. See also LinkedIn.

E-mail: vanessa DOT kosoy AT {the thing reverse stupidity is not} DOT org

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First, I said I'm not a utilitarian, I didn't say that I don't value other people. There's a big difference!

Second, I'm not willing to step behind that veil of ignorance. Why should I? Decision-theoretically, it can make sense to argue "you should help agent X because in some counterfactual, agent X would be deciding whether to help you using similar reasoning". But, there might be important systematic differences between early people and late people (for example, because late people are modified in some ways compared to the human baseline) which break the symmetry. It might be a priori improbable for me to be born as a late person (and still be me in the relevant sense) or for a late person to be born in our generation[1].

Moreover, if there is a valid decision-theoretic argument to assign more weight to future people, then surely a superintelligent AI acting on my behalf would understand this argument and act on it. So, this doesn't compel me to precommit to a symmetric agreement with future people in advance.

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    There is a stronger case for intentionally creating and giving resources to people who are early in counterfactual worlds. At least, assuming people have meaningful preferences about the state of never-being-born.

Your "psychohistory" is quite similar to my "metacosmology".

Disagree. I'm in favor of (2) because I think that what you call a "tyranny of the present" makes perfect sense. Why would the people of the present not maximize their utility functions, given that it's the rational thing for them to do by definition of "utility function"? "Because utilitarianism" is a nonsensical answer IMO. I'm not a utilitarian. If you're a utilitarian, you should pay for your utilitarianism out of your own resource share. For you to demand that I pay for your utilitarianism is essentially a defection in the decision-theoretic sense, and would incentivize people like me to defect back.

As to problem (2.b), I don't think it's a serious issue in practice because time until singularity is too short for it to matter much. If it was, we could still agree on a cooperative strategy that avoids a wasteful race between present people.

John Wentworth, founder of the stores that bear his name, once confessed: "I learned thirty years ago that it is foolish to scold. I have enough trouble overcoming my own limitations without fretting over the fact that God has not seen fit to distribute evenly the gift of intelligence." 

@johnswentworth is an ancient vampire, confirmed.

I'm going to be in Berkeley February 8 - 25. If anyone wants to meet, hit me up!

Where do the Base Rate Times report on AI? I don't see it on their front page.

I honestly don't know. The discussions of this problem I encountered are all in the American (or at least Western) context[1], and I'm not sure whether it's because Americans are better at noticing this problem and fixing it, or because American men generate more unwanted advances, or because American women are more sensitive to such advances, or because this is an overreaction to a problem that's much more mild than it's portrayed.

Also, high-status men, really? Men avoiding meetups because they get too many propositions from women is a thing?

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    To be clear, we certainly have rules against sexual harassment here in Israel, but that's very different from "don't ask a woman out the first time you meet her".

"It's true that we don't want women to be driven off by a bunch of awkward men asking them out, but if we make everyone read a document that says 'Don't ask a woman out the first time you meet her', then we'll immediately give the impression that we have a problem with men awkwardly asking women out too much — which will put women off anyway."

 

American social norms around romance continue to be weird to me. For the record, y'all can feel free to ask me out the first time you meet me, even if you do it awkwardly ;)

"Virtue is its own reward" is a nice thing to believe in when you feel respected, protected and loved. When you feel tired, lonely and afraid, and nobody cares at all, it's very hard to understand why you should be making big sacrifices for the sake of virtue. But, hey, people are different. Maybe, for you virtue is truly, unconditionally, its own reward, and a sufficient one at that. And maybe EA is a community professional circle only for people who are that stoic and selfless. But, if so, please put the warning in big letters on the lid.

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