Thank you for taking the time to explain your comment to me in detail. I very much appreciate it. I’m trying hard to understand your comments. I will share here my thoughts as I try to interpret what you’ve written and attempt to understand the points that you’re making. Again, I appreciate the time that you’ve taken and the effort that you’ve made to clarify. I appreciate the patience that you have displayed, too.
If I understand correctly, the assertion that you’re making is that the example that I’ve given does not actually represent a valid instance of the phenomenon that I’m describing. (Namely, having difficulty explaining something to another person due to that person’s biases and preconceptions, cultural or otherwise.) The purported example, you suggest, does not represent a realistic situation in which deception can make communication more accurate and honest, and this should lead us all to lower our probability estimate of this phenomenon being a real thing at all. If the phenomenon is not real, or even if it is very rare, then we must downgrade our probability estimate of how useful intentional deception can be in improving accuracy and effectiveness in communication.
In response to my analogy of a finger pointing to the moon you stated, “It is directly relevant to the core question of whether your characterization of this aspect of reality is accurate, and whether your suggested actions are appropriate.” I interpret this to mean that my finger isn’t actually pointing at the moon at all. It’s pointing someplace else, and that’s what you’re addressing.
Tentatively assuming that I’ve correctly understood what you’re saying, I want to acknowledge the flaws in this example that I used. First of all, it’s obvious that slavery does not equal or require racism. A slave owner is not necessarily racist and, as you correctly pointed out, may not even be white. That’s a given. Additionally, given the capacity of the human mind to function irrationally, an extremely racist person might be able to recognize that a racial minority individual is more educated and smarter than they are on some level, while simultaneously believing that that individual is still intrinsically inferior— including, possibly, being intellectually inferior. In other words, on some level, in some part of their brain, a KKK clansman might recognize that a given black man is well-educated and intelligent, regardless of whether or not this clashes with their overall worldview. (Which might be that blacks are universally intrinsically inferior, including being intellectually inferior). In other words, the hypothetical claim that a deeply racist person cannot recognize, in any way, on any level, to any degree, that Neil deGrasse Tyson is smart and well-educated is patently false.
An additional flaw in my choice of example is that it’s hard to even imagine a situation in which one could feasibly lie about a person’s race— apart from a lie of omission. In contrast, if I had used the example of a religious person who assumes that all atheists are sinful minions of Satan, we can easily imagine situations in which I might have to actively lie in order to compensate for the religious person’s biases and preconceptions. If, for example, I proposed to such an individual that they should vote for someone, or hire someone, or accept someone as their daughter’s new boyfriend, the chances that they would directly ask me if this person is a Christian are quite high. In response to that, I might be forced to lie actively. Race-related lies would mostly be limited to lies of omission. Hence, not a good example.
With that out of the way, here’s where I think we’re most likely talking past each other. I’m not reasoning on the basis of probability estimations. I’m describing a phenomenon that I perceive as being intrinsically empirical, but it’s an empirical phenomenon that few Americans have the requisite life experience to recognize and know. Most people have never lived for an extended time in a very different culture, and even those who have, in my experience, don’t often understand what’s going on when they experience a clash of cultures. They may experience culture shock, but they often misinterpret what they’re experiencing. In my experience, cross-cultural communication is a perfect empirical example of a situation in which worldviews, values, and beliefs can so strongly interfere with the sharing of experiences and ideas that one can’t simply convey reality as one perceives it through a literal translation. Knowing that most Americans reading my comment likely lack this sort of life experience, and therefore might doubt that this cross-cultural thing is a real phenomenon, I added the slave owner example as an afterthought. I gave that example, not as evidence in support of a hypothesis, but rather as a communication tool, to point to a familiar empirical example of extreme cognitive bias and the challenges that it can pose to simply sharing your own subjective perspective and being understood. I wasn't making a logical argument. I was attempting to find an empirical experience that the reader would be more likely to have encountered in their own daily life-- racisim as a psychological bias.
The remaining unaddressed questions, then, are twofold:
1) Does this communication obstacle barrier which I am claiming to be an empirical reality exist at all?
2) Even assuming that it does— is well-meaning deception a viable tool for communication?
Addressing the second question first, I think it would be useful to clarify that I wasn’t intending to assert that lying (conveying a description that is not aligned with my own subjective understanding of things) is the best or only way to deal with the challenges that this purported empirical phenomenon poses. Rather, I was attempting to describe an additional form of honesty that the post’s author hadn’t mentioned, which I have used myself on multiple occasions and therefore know from experience exists. I’m not advocating it, or claiming that it’s the best way of dealing with this sort of problem. I’m simply reporting its existence as a form of honesty.
Addressing the first question, if the reader doubts that I am, in fact, describing an empirical phenomenon, and if the examples that I’ve given don’t serve to communicate the paradigm of this phenomenon in a compelling hypothetical way (making the possibility that such a phenomenon exist seem at least feasible), then I don’t think useful communication is possible here. If the examples I’ve given fall too far outside of the reader’s experience to be taken seriously, there’s no realistic hope of communicating satisfactorily on this question. I don’t think that Bayesian logic is a viable tool for conveying to another person the reality of this empirically-experienced phenomenon. (That cultural differences and personal biases can so strongly interfere with communication that counter-distorting one’s own utterances can actually serve to make communication more effective.) This is no one’s fault. Without some degree of common experience, communication is impossible even in principle.
Status: musings. I wanted to write up a more fleshed-out and rigorous version of this, but realistically wasn't likely to every get around to it, so here's the half-baked version.
Related posts: Firming Up Honesty Around Its Edge-Cases, Deep honesty
What I mean by 'honesty'
There are nuances to this, but I think a good summary is 'Not intentionally communicating false information'.
This is the only one here that I follow near-absolutely and see as an important standard that people can reasonably be expected to follow in most situations. Everything else here I'd see as either supererogatory, or good-on-balance but with serious tradeoffs that one can reasonably choose to sometimes not make, or good in some circumstances but not appropriate in others, or good in moderation but not in excess.
Forthrightness
...or perhaps frankness?
I was originally inspired to write this up due to a conversation in which I wanted to emphasize the distinction between honesty and forthrightness: where honesty is about not giving false information, what I mean by forthrightness is a tendency not to hold back relevant true information.
Being forthright enables people to justly assume that if you haven't spoken out against something you're likely okay with it, that if you haven't expressed an interest in something you're likely not interested in it, and so on.
Personally, I follow a policy of near-absolute honesty, but am not particularly forthright; I think it's good not to hold back relevant true information without a good reason, but good reasons are not all that uncommon.
Circumspection
I'd describe circumspection as the virtue of holding back information when there is a good reason to do so; the counterpart to forthrightness..
Tact
I don't have as confident a concise description of what I think of tact as meaning, but my best attempt would be something like... recognizing that whatever you say isn't just a transfer of information, it's also a speech act, and avoiding speech acts that would cause problems.
It seems particularly easy for this to run counter to some of the other virtues here described, especially forthrightness and deep honesty, but it's certainly possible to have both at once.
'Accurate signalling'?
I don't have a good term for this one, but I think there's a concept related to honesty wherein one attempts to give accurate signals even when not explicitly communicating.
Perhaps, for example, there's reason not to, say, wear a suit, if there are widely understood assumptions about suit-wearers that are broadly true and reasonable (and that you're therefore not deliberately challenging) but that are not true of you - you'd be giving the wrong impression.
I don't know of anyone who takes this idea very seriously. I don't think I'd even endorse taking it very seriously. But I also don't know anyone who's mentioned giving it any thought at all, and I do think it bears some consideration.
Deep honesty
The main point of this post as originally conceived was to frame a description of this concept, which I didn't have a term for at the time. But before I got around to attempting to write this up, Aletheophile did a much more thorough job of describing a very similar idea, so I'll just refer you to that post.
(Although maybe I'm making a conceptual rounding error here and the version I had in mind was slightly but significantly different, in which case I might ought actually write it.)
'Proactive honesty'
Even when committed to not intentionally communicating false information, you can still be misunderstood. In some situations you can predict in advance that misunderstanding is likely, and I would say that it would be dishonest to take advantage of that and deliberately be misunderstood, but it's not dishonest to just shrug and decide it's not worth clearing up the misunderstanding.
One might then consider the virtue that I'd dub proactive honesty, for lack of a better term: not just not deliberately giving false information, but deliberately not giving false information; going out of one's way to not be misunderstood.
Meta-honesty
Again, I refer you to a previous post that describes this more thoroughly than I could.