My ~2-hour reaction to the challenge:[1]
(I) I have a general point of confusion regarding the post: To the extent that this is an officially endorsed plan, who endorses the plan?
Reason for confusion / observations: If someone told me they are in charge of an organization that plans to build AGI, and this is their plan, I would immediately object that the arguments ignore the part where progress on their "alignment plan" make a significant contribution to capabilities research. Thereforey, in the worlds where the proposed strategy fails, they are making things actively worse, not better. Therefore, their plan is perhaps not unarguably harmful, but certainly irresponsible.[2] For this reason, I find it unlikely that the post is endorsed as a strategy by OpenAI's leadership.
(III)[3] My assumption: To make sense of the text, I will from now assume that the post is endorsed by OpenAI's alignment team only, and that the team is in a position where they cannot affect the actions of OpenAI's capabilities team in any way. (Perhaps except to the extent that their proposals would only incur a near-negligible alignment tax.) They are simply determined to make the best use of the research that would happen anyway. (I don't have any inside knowledge into OpenAI. This assumption seems plausible to me, and very sad.)
(IV) A general comment that I would otherwise need to repeat essentially ever point I make is the following: OpenAI should set up a system that will (1) let them notice if their assumptions turn out to be mistaken and (2) force them to course-correct if it happens. In several places, the post explicitly states, or at least implies, critical assumptions about the nature of AI, AI alignment, or other topics. However, it does not include any ways of noticing if these assumptions turn out to not hold. To act responsibly, OpenAI should (at the minimum): (A) Make these assumptions explicit. (B) Make these hypotheses falsifiable by publicizing predictions, or other criteria they could use to check the assumptions. (C) Set up a system for actually checking (B), and course-correcting if the assumptions turn out false.
Assumptions implied by OpenAI's plans, with my reactions:
General complaint: The plan is not a plan at all! It's just a meta-plan.
Eliezer adds: "For this reason, please note explicitly if you're saying things that you heard from a MIRI person at a gathering, or the like."
As far as I know, I came up with points (I), (III), and (XII) myself and I don't remember reading those points before. On the other hand, (IV), (IX), and (XI) are (afaik) pretty much direct ripoffs of MIRI arguments. The status of the remaining 7 points is unclear. (I read most of MIRI's publicly available content, and attended some MIRI-affiliated events pre-covid. And I think all of my alignment thinking is heavily MIRI-inspired. So the remaining points are probably inspired by something I read. Perhaps I would be able to derive 2-3 out of 7 if MIRI disappeared 6 years ago?)
(II) For example, consider the following claim: "We believe the best way to learn as much as possible about how to make AI-assisted evaluation work in practice is to build AI assistants." My reaction: Yes, technically speaking this is true. But likewise --- please excuse the jarring analogy --- the best way to learn as much as possible about how to treat radiation exposure is to drop a nuclear bomb somewhere and then study the affected population. And yeees, if people are going to be dropping nuclear bombs, you might as well study the results. But wouldn't it be even better if you personally didn't plan to drop bombs on people? Maybe you could even try coordinating with other bomb-posessing people on not dropping them on people :-).
Apologies for the inconsistent numbering. I had to give footnote [2] number (II) to get to the nice round total of 13 points :-).
Oh, I think I agree - if the choice is to use AI assistants or not, then use them. If they need adapting to be useful for alignment, then do adapt them.
But suppose they only work kind-of-poorly - and using them for alignment requires making progress on them (which will also be useful for capabilities), and you will not be able to keep those results internal. And that you can either do this work or do literally nothing. (Which is unrealistic.) Then I would say doing literally nothing is better. (Though it certainly feels bad, and probably costs you your job. So I guess some third option would be preferable.)
(Note: This post is a write-up by Rob of a point Eliezer wanted to broadcast. Nate helped with the editing, and endorses the post’s main points.)
Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soares (my co-workers) want to broadcast strong support for OpenAI’s recent decision to release a blog post ("Our approach to alignment research") that states their current plan as an organization.
Although Eliezer and Nate disagree with OpenAI's proposed approach — a variant of "use relatively unaligned AI to align AI" — they view it as very important that OpenAI has a plan and has said what it is.
We want to challenge Anthropic and DeepMind, the other major AGI organizations with a stated concern for existential risk, to do the same: come up with a plan (possibly a branching one, if there are crucial uncertainties you expect to resolve later), write it up in some form, and publicly announce that plan (with sensitive parts fuzzed out) as the organization's current alignment plan.
Currently, Eliezer’s impression is that neither Anthropic nor DeepMind has a secret plan that's better than OpenAI's, nor a secret plan that's worse than OpenAI's. His impression is that they don't have a plan at all.[1]
Having a plan is critically important for an AGI project, not because anyone should expect everything to play out as planned, but because plans force the project to concretely state their crucial assumptions in one place. This provides an opportunity to notice and address inconsistencies, and to notice updates to the plan (and fully propagate those updates to downstream beliefs, strategies, and policies) as new information comes in.
It's also healthy for the field to be able to debate plans and think about the big picture, and for orgs to be in some sense "competing" to have the most sane and reasonable plan.
We acknowledge that there are reasons organizations might want to be abstract about some steps in their plans — e.g., to avoid immunizing people to good-but-weird ideas, in a public document where it’s hard to fully explain and justify a chain of reasoning; or to avoid sharing capabilities insights, if parts of your plan depend on your inside-view model of how AGI works.
We’d be happy to see plans that fuzz out some details, but are still much more concrete than (e.g.) “figure out how to build AGI and expect this to go well because we'll be particularly conscientious about safety once we have an AGI in front of us".
Eliezer also hereby gives a challenge to the reader: Eliezer and Nate are thinking about writing up their thoughts at some point about OpenAI's plan of using AI to aid AI alignment. We want you to write up your own unanchored thoughts on the OpenAI plan first, focusing on the most important and decision-relevant factors, with the intent of rendering our posting on this topic superfluous.
Our hope is that challenges like this will test how superfluous we are, and also move the world toward a state where we’re more superfluous / there’s more redundancy in the field when it comes to generating ideas and critiques that would be lethal for the world to never notice.[2][3]
We didn't run a draft of this post by DM or Anthropic (or OpenAI), so this information may be mistaken or out-of-date. My hope is that we’re completely wrong!
Nate’s personal guess is that the situation at DM and Anthropic may be less “yep, we have no plan yet”, and more “various individuals have different plans or pieces-of-plans, but the organization itself hasn’t agreed on a plan and there’s a lot of disagreement about what the best approach is”.
In which case Nate expects it to be very useful to pick a plan now (possibly with some conditional paths in it), and make it a priority to hash out and document core strategic disagreements now rather than later.
Nate adds: “This is a chance to show that you totally would have seen the issues yourselves, and thereby deprive MIRI folk of the annoying ‘y'all'd be dead if not for MIRI folk constantly pointing out additional flaws in your plans’ card!”
Eliezer adds: "For this reason, please note explicitly if you're saying things that you heard from a MIRI person at a gathering, or the like."