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Agent Boundaries Aren't Markov Blankets. [no longer endorsed]

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I think you use too narrow a notion of Markov blankets here. I'd call the notion you're using "structural Markov blankets" - a set of nodes in a Bayes net which screens off one side from another structurally (i.e. it's a cut of the graph). Insofar as Markov blankets are useful for delineating agent boundaries, I expect the relevant notion of "Markov blanket" is more general: just some random variable such that one chunk of variables is independent of another conditional on the blanket.

... I was expecting you'd push back a bit, so I'm going to fill in the push-back I was expecting here.

Sam's argument still generalizes beyond the case of graphical models. Our model is going to have some variables in it, and if we don't know *in advance* where the agent will be at each timestep, then presumably we don't know which of those variables (or which function of those variables, etc) will be our Markov blanket. On the other hand, if we knew which variables or which function of the variables were the blanket, then presumably we'd already know where the agent is, so presumably we're already conditioning on something when we say "the agent's boundary is a Markov blanket".

I think that is a basically-correct argument. It doesn't actually argue that agent boundaries aren't Markov boundaries; I still think agent boundaries *are* basically Markov boundaries. But the argument implies that the most naive setup is missing some piece having to do with "where the agent is".

I think the missing piece is some sort of notion of "who is on what team", which I think of as "agentic segmentation". That is, can we draw borders in meatspace between who is being influenced by the rhetoric of which other agents. If a strong and misaligned superintelligence came to exist, my threat model is that it would do all sorts of dishonorable things by proxy using its rhetorical influence, and we would either see that something weird was going on with the agentic segmentation, or we wouldn't. If we did see it, we could probably trace the agent segment back to some primary mover or locate the computational device that is powering the rapidly expanding agent segment.

While most examples in the literature utilize static Markov blankets in which time does not affect whether or not nodes are assigned to object, blanket, and environment this is not a necessary feature of Markov Blankets. They can move and model exchanges of matter between object and environment. In a dynamic setting, every single node has a markov blanket and the intersection of the blankets associated with each any set of nodes also forms a markov blanket (even if that blanket is disconnected). For this reason, the Markov blankets alone dont define objects. Rather it is the statistics of the blanket (or rather p(b,t)) that define an object. Blankets simply specify the set of possible domains over which the distribution that defines an object's phenotype may be defined.

Edit: no longer endorsed; seeJohn's comment.Friston has famously invoked the idea of Markov Blankets for representing agent boundaries, in arguments related to the Free Energy Principle / Active Inference.

The Emperor's New Markov Blanketsby Jelle Bruineberg competently critiques the way Friston tries to use Markov blankets. But some other unrelated theories also try to apply Markov blankets to represent agent boundaries. There is a simple reason why such approaches are doomed.This argument is due to Sam Eisenstat.

Consider the data-type of a Markov blanket. You start with a probabilistic graphical model (usually, a causal DAG), which represents the world.

A "Markov blanket" is a

set of nodes in this graph, which probabilistically insulates one part of the graph (which we might call the part "inside" the blanket) from another part ("outside" the blanket):^{[1]}("Probabilistically insulates" means that the inside and outside are conditionally independent, given the Markov blanket.)

So the obvious problem with this picture of an agent boundary is that

it only works if the agent takes a deterministic path through space-time. We can easily draw a Markov blanket around an "agent" who just says still, or who moves with a predictable direction and speed:But if an agent's direction and speed are ever

sensitive to external stimuli(which is a property common to almost everything we might want to call an 'agent'!) we cannot draw a markov blanket such that (a) only the agent is inside, and (b) everything inside is the agent:It would be a mathematical error to say "you don't know where to draw the Markov blanket, because you don't know which way the Agent chooses to go" -- a Markov blanket represents a probabilistic fact about the model

withoutany knowledge you possess about values of specific variables, so it doesn'tmatterif you actually do know which way the agent chooses to go.^{[2]}The only way to get around this (while still using Markov blankets) would be to construct your probabilistic graphical model so that

one specific node represents each observer-moment of the agent, no matter where the agent physically goes.^{[3]}In other words, start with a high-level model of reality which already contains things like agents, rather than a low-level purely physical model of reality.You've already got something which amounts to a node labeled "you".But then you don't need Markov blankets to help you point out the agents.I don't think it is impossible to specify a mathematical model of agent boundaries which does what you want here, but Markov blankets ain't it.

^{^}Although it's arbitrary which part we call inside vs outside.

^{^}Drawing Markov blankets wouldn't even

make sensein a model that's been updated with complete info about the world's state; if you know the values of the variables, then everything is trivially probabilistically independent of everything else anyway, since known information won't change your mind about known information. Soanysubset would be a Markov blanket.^{^}Or you could have a more detailed model, such as one node per neuron; that would also work fine. But the problem remains the same; you can only draw such a model if you already understand your agent as a coherent object, in which case you don't need Markov blankets to help you draw a boundary around it.