My understanding is "labor" & "capital" cannot nor should be applied out of the manufacturing context. "Labor", indeed, involves flesh-&-blood, but exists specifically in relationship to "capital", as the necessary component for its production and maintainance.
"Capital", oft-misunderstood, is by nature local, limited, and operationally immobile. (I also think it's useful to note that there should be some orders-of-magnitude cost associated with obtaining capital vs common services, especially one that involves specialized labor to set up the capital). Capital, by definition, is that which does not scale. A minilathe or a common brake press is not capital. A through-cooling 5-axis lathe+mill, or a CNC brake press, is capital. The building that shelters them and provides them ventilation, power, and cooling, is capital. A COTS 3d printer is not capital (although 1,000 of them may be). A wework is not capital for those that use it. The tunnels of a coal mine, or the deep pits of a copper mine, are capital. The explosives used to carve them are not. Etc.
In this vein, I think we first need to construct a labor-theory of a) the service economy and specifically b) the digital service economy.
I do not think Marxist theory applies to a resturant, a starbucks, or a mcdonalds, or spotify, or uber. There is very little capital present. Most of it is some real estate. AWS & their acres of data centers are capital. Proprietary source code is not. It is trivial to copy a repo. Capital cannot be trivial to duplicate--its scarcity is protected by nature, not litigation.
I do not think the labor is the same, because trained-or-coordinated workers are not required to maintain the capital against destruction. A mistake of labor can destroy capital. Not only is there no capital to destroy, it is not able to be destroyed by negligence.
Some new description of the relationship between service-business & service-workers needs to be developed. Then, an extended description of the relationship between digital-service-business & digital-service-programmers needs to be developed. Then, both need to be re-interpreted in the context of the service workers/programmers being nonhuman. I suspect this final step will be rather easy.
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The point of all this is to say: capital & invention are two different things. AI is a fascinating thing: an invention that can do invention. But I do not think it is capital, and I do not think it can do capital L Labor. Manipulating the physical world is a very different problem from invention, and current LLM-based architectures are not suited for this. I can elaborate on my personal beliefs about intelligence & cognition but it's not very relevant here. Philosophically, I want to emphasize the primacy of the physical world, something I often tend to forget as a child of the digital age & something I suspect some of us never consider.
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I need to develop a theory of friction. Capabilities that were previously required capital & labor can become not-capital & not-labor when they become infrastructurized, because infrastructurization dramatically reduces the friction associated with the capability. However, to really do something--that is, to do something without infrastructure (which, it should be noted, includes setting up new infrastructure) involves overcoming a LOT of friction. Friction, all the consequence of a lack of knowledge about the problem; friction, all the million little challenges that need to be overcome; friction, that which is smoothed over the second and third and fourth times something done. Friction, that which is inevitably associated with the physical world. Friction--that which only humans can handle.
I don't think AIs can handle friction until they can handle fucking and fighting. Thus, I think while AI can replace services (woe to you, America & her post-industrial service economy!), it cannot replace labor. Labor involves overcoming friction.
Understood & absolutely: in that frame the rest of my comment falls apart & your piece coheres. I was making the same error as this piece is about: that agi & ai as terms. are lazy approximations of each other.
My apologies for a lazy comment.
(Cross-posted from X, intended for a general audience.)
There’s a funny thing where economics education paradoxically makes people DUMBER at thinking about future AI. Econ textbooks teach concepts & frames that are great for most things, but counterproductive for thinking about AGI. Here are 4 examples:
THE FIRST PIECE of Econ anti-pedagogy is hiding in the words “labor” & “capital”. These words conflate a superficial difference (flesh-and-blood human vs not) with a bundle of unspoken assumptions and intuitions, which will all get broken by Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).
By “AGI” I mean here “a bundle of chips, algorithms, electricity, and/or teleoperated robots that can autonomously do the kinds of stuff that ambitious human adults can do—founding and running new companies, R&D, learning new skills, using arbitrary teleoperated robots after very little practice, etc.”
Yes I know, this does not exist yet! (Despite hype to the contrary.) Try asking an LLM to autonomously write a business plan, found a company, then run and grow it for years as CEO. Lol! It will crash and burn! But that’s a limitation of today’s LLMs, not of “all AI forever”. AI that could nail that task, and much more beyond, is obviously possible—human brains and bodies and societies are not powered by some magical sorcery forever beyond the reach of science. I for one expect such AI in my lifetime, for better or worse. (Probably “worse”, see below.)
Now, is this kind of AGI “labor” or “capital”? Well it’s not a flesh-and-blood human. But it’s more like “labor” than “capital” in many other respects:
Anyway, people see sci-fi robot movies, and they get this! Then they take economics courses, and it makes them dumber.
(Yes I know, #NotAllEconomists etc.)
THE SECOND PIECE of Econ anti-pedagogy is instilling a default assumption that it’s possible for a market to equilibrate. But the market for AGI cannot: AGI combines a property of labor markets with a property of product markets, where those properties are mutually exclusive. Those properties are:[1]
QUIZ: Considering (A) & (B), what’s the equilibrium price of this AGI bundle (chips, algorithms, electricity, teleoperated robots, etc.)?
…Trick question! There is no equilibrium. Our two principles, (A) “no lump of labor” and (B) “experience curves”, make equilibrium impossible:
This is neither capital nor labor as we know it. Instead of the market for AGI equilibrating, it forms a positive feedback loop / perpetual motion machine that blows up exponentially.
Does that sound absurd? There’s a precedent: humans! The human world, as a whole, is already a positive feedback loop / perpetual motion machine of this type! Humans bootstrapped themselves up from a few thousand hominins to 8 billion people running a $80T economy.
How? It’s not literally a perpetual motion machine. Rather, it’s an engine that draws from the well of “not-yet-exploited economic opportunities”. But remember “No Lump of Labor”: the well of not-yet-exploited economic opportunities is ~infinitely deep. We haven’t run out of possible companies to found. Nobody has made a Dyson swarm yet.
There’s only so many humans to found companies and exploit new opportunities. But the positive feedback loop of AGI has no such limit. The doubling time can be short indeed:
Imagine an autonomous factory that can build an identical autonomous factory, which then build two more, etc., using just widely-available input materials and sunlight. Economics textbooks don’t talk about that. But biology textbooks do! A cyanobacterium is such a factory, and can double itself in a day (≈ googol percent annualized growth rate 😛).
Anyway, we don’t know how explosive will be the positive feedback loop of AGI building AGI, but I expect it to be light-years beyond anything in economic history.
THE THIRD PIECE of Econ anti-pedagogy is its promotion of GDP growth as a proxy for progress and change. On the contrary, it’s possible for the world to transform into a wild sci-fi land beyond all recognition or comprehension each month, month after month, without “GDP growth” actually being all that high. GDP is a funny metric, and especially poor at describing the impact of transformative technological revolutions. (For example, if some new tech is inexpensive, and meanwhile other sectors of the economy remain expensive due to regulatory restrictions, then the new tech might not impact GDP much, no matter how much it upends the world.) I mean, sure we can argue about GDP, but we shouldn’t treat it as a proxy battle over whether AGI will or won’t be a big deal.
Last and most importantly, THE FOURTH PIECE of Econ anti-pedagogy is the focus on “mutually-beneficial trades” over “killing people and taking their stuff”. Econ 101 proves that trading is selfishly better than isolation. But sometimes “killing people and taking their stuff” is selfishly best of all.
When we’re talking about AGI, we’re talking about creating a new intelligent species on Earth, one which will eventually be faster, smarter, better-coordinated, and more numerous than humans.
Normal people, people who have seen sci-fi movies about robots and aliens, people who have learned the history of colonialism and slavery, will immediately ask lots of reasonable questions here. “What will their motives be?” “Who will have the hard power?” “If they’re seeming friendly and cooperative early on, might they stab us in the back when they get more powerful?”
These are excellent questions! We should definitely be asking these questions! (FWIW, this is my area of expertise, and I’m very pessimistic.)
…And then those normal people take economics classes, and wind up stupider. They stop asking those questions. Instead, they “learn” that AGI is “capital”, kinda like an injection-molding machine. Injection-molding machines wouldn’t wipe out humans and run the world by themselves. So we’re fine. Lol.
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…Since actual AGI is so foreign to economists’ worldviews, they often deny the premise. E.g. here’s Tyler Cowen demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of what we doomers are talking about, when we talk about future powerful AI.
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And here’s Daron Acemoglu assuming without any discussion that in the next 10 yrs, “AI” will not include any new yet-to-be-developed techniques that go way beyond today’s LLMs. Funny omission, when the whole LLM paradigm didn’t exist 10 yrs ago!
(Tbc, it’s fine to make that assumption! Maybe it will be valid, or maybe not, who knows, technological forecasting is hard. But when your paper depends on a giant load-bearing assumption about future AI tech progress, an assumption which many AI domain experts dispute, then that assumption should at least be clearly stated! Probably in the very first sentence of the paper, if not the title!)
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And here’s another example of economists “arguing” against AGI scenarios by simply rejecting out of hand any scenario in which actual AGI exists. Many such examples…
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I think part of the problem is people taking human brains for granted instead of treating them as an existence proof that today’s LLMs are nowhere near the ceiling of what’s possible with AI ↓ (source)
This part overlaps with my earlier post: Applying traditional economic thinking to AGI: a trilemma