Does this imply that "legal person" is a pure superset of adults, minors, and fictional persons? That doesn't track for me. I tend to think that different legal systems have different criteria for different purposes (can enter into contract, can be prosecuted for crimes, can cross a border, must pay taxes of what type, etc.), so the blue should be a bunch of misshapen disjoint areas that cover parts of each of the sets of humans.
Below is an oversimplified version purely for the purpose of helping the reader to visualize this. It does not contain all the relevant categories, nor is its particular arrangement in any way representative of any particular legal precedent or theory. It is merely an aid to assist the reader in conceptualizing.
I was really trying to use this disclaimer (located above the picture) to illustrate the limited purpose of the picture. If you think it needs additional clarity could you specify what about it you found confusing?
You may also be interested in the 'problems with legal personhood as a concept' section I just posted.
I don't understand what the venn diagram is trying to elucidate or exemplify. Usually venn diagrams are chosen to show intersection or union of sets or categories, and I'm not sure that these sets are well-defined enough to be modeled very well in set theory, as opposed to more rule-based legal theory.
I really do like the starting point of "the technical legal meaning of a 'person' is a subject of legal rights and duties.". I'd enjoy a discussion of the edge cases and applications of that, without overgeneralizing to other possible category descriptors. Especially the rarely-stated requirements to be held responsible - continuity over time, and control of assets that can be taken being the two interesting ones (I think).
I was especially thrown by "fictional persons", which I don't believe can ever be legal persons. Tom Sawyer nor John Wick have no rights, and can not be held responsible for their fictional actions. Collective persons or organizational persons, of course can, which is what you may have meant by "fictional".
I can see why "fictional persons" absent explanation is confusing. This is a term which courts/legal scholars use to reference organizations like corporations, trusts, etc. It's not meant to refer to fictional characters. But that only makes sense to me because I'm familiar with this subject matter, so I need to add a footnote about it for others. I will add in a quote to clarify this.
The goal of the venn diagram was to show two things:
For the last few months I have been working on a proposed framework for how courts can handle the question of "legal personhood" for digital minds. I think this is a very important issue, and I have noticed in discussions around the topic there are some very widely held misconceptions.
I have finished a rough draft of that work which can be found here, and have decided to post it on LW as a series of short posts. I'm trying to keep these very brief and easily readable. This first section is just an introduction to the concept of Legal Personhood.
Legal personhood is a term used to refer to the status of being considered a "person" under the law. This label includes "natural persons" like human adults, as well as “fictional persons” [1] like corporations.
It also includes subcategories within the aforementioned groups. For example, minors are “natural persons” who are treated differently under the law compared to adults. Trusts are “fictional” persons which are treated differently under the law compared to corporations.
It is best to think of “legal persons” as a broad category which encompasses a variety of different subcategories of “persons” within it. In that sense it can be visualized most easily as a venn diagram where one circle (legal persons) contains a number of smaller circles which overlap and diverge to various degrees.
Below is an oversimplified version purely for the purpose of helping the reader to visualize this. It does not contain all the relevant categories, nor is its particular arrangement in any way representative of any particular legal precedent or theory. It is merely an aid to assist the reader in conceptualizing.
What exactly is this light blue “space” of legal personhood inside which these categories occupy different, if overlapping, positions? Harvard law professor John Chipman Gray wrote in his seminal text The Nature and Sources of the Law;
"In books of the Law, as in other books, and in common speech, 'person' is often used as meaning a human being, but the technical legal meaning of a 'person' is a subject of legal rights and duties."
When we look at the previous venn diagram then, we can imagine the light blue space of “legal personhood” as all possible rights which an entity might be entitled to, or duties they might be bound by.
When we see some overlap between subcategories, these are areas where different legal personalities enjoy the same rights and/or duties. For example both fictional persons like corporations and natural persons like human adults can sue and be sued. The areas where subcategories diverge from one another are bundles of rights or duties that one legal personality is endowed with which another is not. For example, an adult natural person has the right to vote and a child or a corporation cannot.
"Fictional Persons" does not mean a fictional character, but rather a legal peron which exists only within the law and does not have an actual physical body or instantiation separate from the law. As Justice Marshall wrote in Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward, “A corporation is an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law". It is for this reason that we refer to corporations, and other entities which have legal personhood but no physical instantiation, as "fictional persons". They may also be referred to as "artificial persons".