EDIT: THIS IS NOT APRIL FOOLS RELATED ALSO: This is specific to the LW scene in Berkeley and nearby Berkeley, as this is the only place where e/acc exclusion is asserted to take place. I haven't been around the LW scene for some time, but I understand it's common to...
TL;DR: How do you build a fancy chatbot like ChatGPT/Bard/etc from a plain LLM system, and how could I learn how to do this? I'm trying to learn more about AI. Naturally, I need to actually play around with it and get my hands dirty, the same as I would...
I described my feelings about human extinction elsewhere.
However, unlike the median commenter on this topic, you seem to grant that e/acc exclusion is actually a real thing that actually happens. That is
I think the desire to exclude e/accs is mainly because of their attitude that human extinction is acceptable or even desirable,
is a strange thing to say if there was not, in fact, an actual desire among LW party hosts in Berkeley. So inasmuch as my doubts about the truth of this have been raised by other respondents, would you mind clarifying
Would you describe yourself as familiar with the scene at all? You seem to imply that you doubt that e/acc exclusion is an actual thing, but is that based on your experience with the scene?
I'm not suggesting that you're wrong to doubt it (if anything I was most likely wrong to believe it), I just want to clarify what info I can take from your doubt.
This is a good point, but I don't intuitively see that it's particularly strong evidence that it must be unusual. I would expect an event like this to have more explicit rules than the average party.
This seems like good evidence and I don't think you would make it up.
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that Beff & co are exaggerating/full-of-it/otherwise-inaccurate.
Possibly the Aella thing was an anomaly, but also the thing that they actually really wanted to go to, and they're inaccurately (although not necessarily dishonestly) assuming it to be more widespread than it actually is.
Would you describe yourself as plugged into the LW party scene in Berkeley?
I wrote a long reply to your points, but ultimately decided it was a derail to original topic. I'll PM you just for fun though.
I don't think there's anything misleading about that. Building AI that kills everyone means you never get to build the immortality-granting AI.
I didn't say it wasn't sensible. I said describing it that way was misleading.
If your short-term goal is in fact to decelerate the development of AI, describing this as "accelerating the development of Friendly AI" is misleading, or at least confused. What you're actually doing is trying to mitigate X-risk. In part you are doing this in the hopes that you survive to build Friendly AI. This makes sense except for the part where you call it "acceleration."
Incidentally, people don't seem to say "Friendly AI" anymore. What's up with that?
Thanks, this is extremely helpful. Having a clearer definition of how e/acc is understood to LW makes this much easier to think about.
Just for fun, I'll quibble: I would add to my list of e/acc heresies
Related to previous: Those who think that the wrong human having power over other humans is the thing we need to worry about.
Insofar as I genuinely believe that to some extent, various actors are trying to take advantage of sincerely-held beliefs by LWers in the importance of decel-until-alignment to craft rules which benefit them and their short-term interests in money and power. This is bad, but also people do this sort of thing in our society all... (read more)
I think it counts. And while it's not the typical LW party, do you really think that prohibition says nothing about the scene? That seems like an odd opinion to me.
EDIT: THIS IS NOT APRIL FOOLS RELATED
ALSO: This is specific to the LW scene in Berkeley and nearby Berkeley, as this is the only place where e/acc exclusion is asserted to take place.
I haven't been around the LW scene for some time, but I understand it's common to exclude e/acc people from events. I further understand this to be exclusion on philosophical grounds, not just because LW-ites tend to view e/acc people individually as unlikeable.
I personally don't want to try to sneak into LW parties if I'm someone that the hosts are trying to exclude on philosophical grounds. So I'd rather clarify whether, in the opinion of various people, I count.
It's common... (read 291 more words →)
TL;DR: How do you build a fancy chatbot like ChatGPT/Bard/etc from a plain LLM system, and how could I learn how to do this?
I'm trying to learn more about AI. Naturally, I need to actually play around with it and get my hands dirty, the same as I would with any other software engineering subject. So I messed around with pulling some models off of Hugging Face and running them on my computer via a Python wrapper and seeing how well I could get them to answer questions.
When you interact with an AI chatbot from one of the big players, you more or less just interact with them in natural language and... (read 292 more words →)
Yes, I meant specifically the Bay Area scene, since that's the only part of the LW community that's accused of excluding e/acc-ers.
It's interesting and relevant if you can say that in the NYC scene, this sort of thing is unheard of, and that you're familiar enough with that scene to say so, but it isn't 100% on point.