erikerikson

Is agriculture used for war? Without the efficiency that allowed for specialization would we have militaries? War fighters cannot fight without food, is the farmer complicit? How about the yes from which fruits were collected or the animals that were hunted?

I think you're right that AI safety is case A but I'd suggest you add reversibility into your reasons. If we can just turn it off (ignoring influence campaigns to get us not to) there's no risk, the problem is if it is one way. Outside of AI take over scenarios, there's substantial evidence that some would consider ending sentience a kind of murder.

I see as agreement with you adding embellishment. 

A realistic imagining of a counterintuitive case, extreme in the hidden direction might be useful...  For example, a psychopath that lacks empathy but understands that hurting others reduces their productivity, affect, and other factors that thereby reduce their value and production for the psychopath and the society in which the psychopath is embedded.  Given this understanding the psychopath pursues the betterment of their fellow person even while finding manner by which to benefit th... (read more)

In response to my childhood and needing to escape bad defaults that just seemed like reality, I've grown up deeply asking these questions regularly but particularly earlier on with regular revisits as I learn, explore, and reprioritize.  They are meta questions about the question and asking them while doing a thing can stop you from doing the thing.  Doing this can open massive cans of worms that can trigger regress to first principles and undecidable value judgements.  This can become recursive and lead to paralysis if used too much, withou... (read more)

I appreciate that.  I think it's good to have better access to reality.  What I'm saying is that I would suggest prioritizing enhanced awareness of other dimension of reality.  Before establishing my monogamous marriage I'd have happily have dated someone considered ugly with deformities who nonetheless had high compatibility emotionally, intellectually, and socially.  My happiness and smoothness in doing so would probably have served as one of the compatibility bars that they would have employed to evaluate my fitness.  There is a... (read more)

This feels like it would really reinforce focus on the easily accessible attribute of external appearance.  For long term value/return/satisfaction in relationships I would expect attributes that matter more to include emotional and social skill level; compatible social schemas or ability to negotiate and agree across social schemas; lived lifestyle adjusted to remove base context determinants; or similarity in desire to introspect, express, and connect.  Ignoring privacy related fears that tend to be strongest around centralized repositories, if... (read more)

Regarding pieces of oneself, consider the ideas of IFS (internal family systems). "Parts" can be said to attenuate to different concerns and if one can distract from others then an opportunity to maximize utility across dimensions may be missed. One might also suggest that attenuation to only one concern over time can result in a slight movement towards disintegration as a result of increasingly strong feelings about "ignored" concerns. Integration or alignment, with every part joining a cooperative council is often considered a goal and personification can assist some in more peaceably achieving that. I personally found the suggestion to personify felt weird and false.

Of course, Loqi's suggestion could contingently be less optimal than the less easy to accept presentation.

While the approach you suggest could provide a more subjectively negative experience, the cognitive dissonance could cause the utterance to gain more attention with the brain as a more aberrant occurrence in its stimuli and as a result be worthy of further analysis and consideration.

I am generally in favor of delivering notions I believe to be helpful in a manner which can/will be accepted. In some cases however, others are able and more likely to... (read more)

I'd take this differently.

I would at least hope that you are claiming that there is, in fact, a choice, whether the subjective experience of the moment provides indication of the choice or not.

Maybe stated differently you could be claiming that there is the possibility of choice for all people whether a person is aware or capable of taking advantage of that fact. That a person can alter his or her self in order to provide his or her self with the opportunity to choose in such situations.

Loqi's feedback seems to me to be suggesting that individuals who... (read more)

It is simply less demanding to choose a small set of ideas one supports or the contrary than to understand both and perform the even more difficult reconciliation of the differentiated concepts.

For example: the individual versus society. Individuals are by definition part of the collection of people that is a society and societies do not exist except where there are individuals. The greater utility exists where both individuals and societies are served to their greatest interests by the choices we make but it is much easier to communicate about the imp... (read more)

The simplest reason to care about Friendly AI is that we are going to be coexisting with AI, and so we should want it to be something we can live with.

I'd like to suggest that it is important that the friendly AGI would hopefully also want to live with us. I'd further suggest that this is part of why efforts such as LW are important.

As wedrifid appeared to intone in the original reply, the actually discovered "there is cognitive activity present" from the given link is the key knowledge of pertinence to open the exploration of what is self.

Thanks for the further context.

I was originally impressed (and continue to be) by diegocaleiro's open self presentation (awesome!) and hoped to merely provide, in its greatest hope, a possible sense of dependable enough structure for accelerated progression beyond pitfalls that I had previously slowed within.

While the analytical idea... (read more)

A reference to further reading I should do would be likewise appreciated.

I would merely suggest, qualitative assignments aside, that it is enough to deny nihilistic mind states that can occur as one possible result of abandoning cached selves.

I am curious if there is a link or further explanation you can provide to help me understand your objections and why you have them more easily. I'm not interested in defending Descartes or his body of work but his is one of the earliest and better known accounts I have encountered (being relatively not-well-read) of that particular strain of thought that was itself an important part of my formative years. Care to provide?

In my experience of similar appearing shifts of person, what you are experiencing is the "instability" that is to become your new (and more) "stable" state. It will provide advantages and disadvantages and is, in my finding, a more optimal but longer term strategy for the living of life.

Remember:

1. You exist (i.e. "you think, therefore you are" - thank you Descartes)
2. Item 1. above provides at least one example of an indisputable truth that you may know. As a result, truth exists whether you know what that truth is or no

I am Erik Erikson. By day I currently write patents and proofs of concept in the field of enterprise software. My chosen studies included neuro and computer sciences in pursuit of the understanding that can produce generally intelligent entities of equal to or greater than human intelligence less our human limitations. I most distinctly began my "rationalist" development around the age of ten when I came to doubt all truth, including my own existence. I am forever in debt to the "I think, therefore I am" idiom as my first piece of k... (read more)