Idk if this is a useful response to what you say, but for me the main point is that Soryu is abusive, and he both normalizes and obscures his abuse (framing what is fact harm as good).
I do think that there is a separate issue of, well, does he(/MAPLE) have a point about destruction of life, worldwide suicide cult, etc etc? And those things are worthy of discussion, and imo are pretty much entirely a separate issue.
A frame is a colloquial term for "what someone sees as important, what sort of questions they ask or what they're trying to get out of a conversation."
I'm not very active on LW and don't really know how people here use the term "frame", but this is not at all how I'd define it, personally. To me, an important part about a frame (as I understand and use the term) is that much of a frame is implicit and needs to be inferred. It's a set of assumptions baked into communication, either/both about the content of the conversation as well as about the terms of ...
I believe it was Aella who first published links to the Medium posts on Twitter Facebook or other platforms, so that their existence became known.
If the party in question happened in 2017 or later, I was probably also there. (Aella and I lived together for much but not all of 2017–2021, and I attended maybe 90% of the parties she threw in that time. We also used to date, but we broke up and don't live together anymore.) It's hard to pin down because I can't think of a party that fits the description exactly. This is also the first that I'm aware of someone having a negative experience at the parties I'm thinking of, although I can understand how someone who had such an experience wouldn't feel com
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In my (limited) experience, there is a way to do abusive-seeming things like screaming in a way that actually IS helpful for a person, as separate from the actually-abusive version that harms them. I don't know if I can say more beyond "I know it when I see it", but I have seen at least one example of it done skillfully[1].
But yeah, maybe Soryu is not so special and is in fact just the highest-contact-surface-area-to-my-communities leader from a culture that is deeply trained to perpetuate that kind of abuse. I don't know.
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