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Attention Lurkers: Please say hi

Hi.

I have posted a few times, but I self-identify as a lurker because I only very rarely post, and feel increasingly disinclined to.

Or should that be "decreasingly inclined to"? Or are they equivalent? (See, this is why I don't post much.)

An idea: Sticking Point Learning

I like this idea. It reminds me of this guy's site:

http://betterexplained.com/

Admittedly, he takes quite simple concepts that he expects his audience to already understand in a rote sense and attempts to give them a better intuitive grounding, but it's the same kind of "aha!" principle we all want to make more accessible.

Working Mantras

These remind me so much of the Oblique Strategies cards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_Strategies

If you've not seen them EY, you might want to read through and see if they give you any ideas for more mantras.

Open Thread: August 2009

Ask the person questions you know they will lie about and watch their body language very closely. Compare it with their body language when you know they are telling the truth or relaxed. Then when you see signs of the lying body language in future, probe further and see if you can uncover the lie.

My favourite way of doing this isn't even with deception. I use a bit of PUA-style material as follows:

"Hey, I've known you a while now, I reckon I can guess a few facts about you. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to come up with four facts about yourself, but one of them has to be a LIE. Tell me them in any order and I'll see if I can spot the lie. It will be fun, and you'll learn something about yourself!" etc. etc.

People love this kind of thing (because it's about themselves), and they love thinking that you have special powers or an intimate psychic connection with them. Of course, most people on LW would see it as a challenge to mislead me into choosing the wrong lie, but that's not usually what happens in my experience.

It doesn't matter if you don't spot the lie, because if you're paying attention to their body language throughout the whole conversation, you should pick up plenty of their ticks and be able to associate them with particular emotions. You can invert the idea with anchoring too, if you know what you're doing. If you anchor a particular gesture or touch to when they are open and honest with you then you can use it later when you want them to answer truthfully.

It's never a case of people having a single fixed truth-telling body language and a single fixed lying body language, but that when they're lying they subconsciously change something in how they appear. It's "spot the odd one out" which makes the lie easy to spot.

Then there's stuff like looking into the a top corner when trying to remember something. If you ask someone three difficult memory questions and they look into the top left corner for two of them but then look off to the middle-lower right for the other, you can be pretty confident that the odd one out in this case is because they aren't even bothering to try to remember, but are immediately fabricating their answer.

I'm not sure if that was the kind of response you were after. I'm fairly new to these techniques, but I've already found them remarkably effective for cold reading. It's fun, you feed the person an input (question, statement, whatever), and watch very closely at the body language. Rinse and repeat, getting a better feel for their subconscious responses each time. Then you use these to your/their advantage. Ha!

I model motivations and personality too, but I use the body language tricks to speed it up.

With whom shall I diavlog?

I have read The God Delusion but I don't really understand what you're saying. Can you explain?

With whom shall I diavlog?

What am I missing about this comment? I think it makes a reasonable point, but it's on -2.

Can someone clarify what the issue is, or whether Mark's trolling and I'm just too stupid to realise?

Share Your Anti-Akrasia Tricks

My post didn't come out quite how I intended. It reads like an angry rhetorical question, when it's supposed to be a sincere request for context. I'm baffled by the depth that people go into probing self-help ideas, talking in abstract vaguenesses of "getting things done" without revealing and explaining the personal goals that the techniques are supposed to help them achieve.

Given your profession and obsessive interest in the field PJ, perhaps you can give some examples of the sorts of objectives people need Akrasia-fighting techniques to accomplish? The examples I gave were humorous and the tone provocative, designed to draw out real goals from real practitioners. It was misjudged and looks like MPF, but that wasn't the intention.

I realise my request for examples of people's goals isn't exactly on-topic, but I find it almost impossible to understand the "tricks" and "secrets" people talk about on this topic when it's so divorced from the context of their specific goals. Let's have some examples to help those like me get what you're talking about. You first.

Share Your Anti-Akrasia Tricks

Long time reader, first time poster.

What I want to know is just what such important tasks and projects everyone here believes they should be working on, which causes them to probe so deeply into the concept of Akrasia.

I'm assuming that most of us have steady sources of income, respectable (if humble) careers, and no shortage of curiosity to read books and enjoy sport/entertainment in our free times. So where does the Akrasia anxiety fit in? Looking at productivity-seekers from the outside it just seems like they're fantasising about a completely different life from the one they live, and weave increasing elaborate theories about how to generate a function taking them from reality to fantasy.

I'd like to think I'm wrong, and everyone weighing in about how they're spending their free time curing AIDs, running charity events to buy books for orphans, and building robots to help old ladies cross the street would clarify this. If it's just "boo hoo, I'm so useless, I can't find the willpower to finish writing that SuDoku solver I started in C++ and I still haven't got all the stars on Mario Galaxy" then who really gives the square root of a toss?