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Does that take into account, for example, Arbital seeming less promising to people / getting less engagement, because all the users have just sunk energy into trying to get by on a revived LW?

There's an intuition pump I could make that I haven't fully fleshed out yet, that goes something like, If both Arbital and Lesswrong get worked on, then whichever seems more promising or better to use will gain more traction and end out on top in a very natural way, without having to go through an explicit failure of the other one.

There's caveats/responses to that as well of course — it just doesn't seem 100% clear cut to me.


Brainstormy words in that corner of concept-space:

  • Raising the sanity waterline
  • Downstream effects
  • Giving someone a footstool so that they can see for themselves, instead of you telling them what's on the other side of the wall
  • C̶r̶i̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶m̶a̶s̶s h̶i̶v̶e̶m̶i̶n̶d Compounding thinktank intelligence
  • Doing thinks better

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Signal boosting means sending more signal so that you it arrives better on the other side. There's more ways of doing so though;

  • Noise reduction
  • (The entire big field of) error correction methods
  • Specifying the signal's constraints clearly so that the other side can run a fit to it
  • Stop sending the signal and instead build the generator on the other side

The maximum total energy from PUFA has been a discussion point with DIY Soylent makers as well. The final consensus was that it should definitely be below 10%, and possibly below 4%. The 4% figure comes from The perfect health diet, which uses this as a source:

Angela Liou Y, Innis SM. Dietary linoleic acid has no effect on arachidonic acid, but increases n-6 eicosadienoic acid, and lowers dihomo-gamma-linolenic and eicosapentaenoic acid in plasma of adult men. Prostaglandins, Leukotrienes and Essential Fatty Acids 2009 Apr;80(4):201–6,

I've also got a copy hosted at but only download that if your university or company legally gives you access to Elsevier content.

For the discussion and links to other relevant papers, see and further posts

For my Soylent, I ended up getting most fats from macadamia oil (mostly Omega-9 aka MUFA) and MCT oil (Medium-chain saturated fat), since they don't have any negative effects associated with them. Correct me if I'm wrong.


My university has access to the paper. I've got it hosted on my server, but you're only allowed to download it if you have legal access through your university as well. If you have legal access, feel free to click this link:


Haha, bluf! (Or in English: I dare you!)


Dang, another one that doesn't sit well with my planning. I'll attend at some point, really!


Now that the scheduling issues are out of the way;

Coming Sunday, we'll have wallowinmaya, EGI and girlfriend, SimonF, Falstofe, and my girlfriend and me, if I'm not mistaken. That would be a nice turnout!


Me and my girlfriend will most likely be there! We've been thinking of starting something ourselves :)


My current effective altruism strategy is:

  • Make a lot of money
  • Give it away

Pretty straightforward, but it means I don't need to have a job specifically related to effective altruism.

The question might be if you're more useful by making money and giving that away, or by working directly with the cause or meta-cause you support. I think for me it's the former.


To get a permanent URL, the workaround was that you could schedule a hangout very far in the future. Are you saying that you can't run a specified application on that?

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