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owencb20

It's been a long time since I read those books, but if I'm remembering roughly right: Asimov seems to describe a world where choice is in a finely balanced equilibrium with other forces (I'm inclined to think: implausibly so -- if it could manage this level of control at great distances in time, one would think that it could manage to exert more effective control over things at somewhat less distance).

owencb50

I've now sent emails contacting all of the prize-winners.

owencb20

Actually, on 1) I think that these consequentialist reasons are properly just covered by the later sections. That section is about reasons it's maybe bad to make the One Ring, ~regardless of the later consequences. So it makes sense to emphasise the non-consequentialist reasons.

I think there could still be some consequentialist analogue of those reasons, but they would be more esoteric, maybe something like decision-theoretic, or appealing to how we might want to be treated by future AI systems that gain ascendancy.

owencb20
  1. Yeah. As well as another consequentialist argument, which is just that it will be bad for other people to be dominated. Somehow the arguments feel less natively consequentialist, and so it seems somehow easier to hold them in these other frames, and then translate them into consequentialist ontology if that's relevant; but also it would be very reasonable to mention them in the footnote.
  2. My first reaction was that I do mention the downsides. But I realise that that was a bit buried in the text, and I can see that that could be misleading about my overall view. I've now edited the second paragraph of the post to be more explicit about this. I appreciate the pushback.
owencb40

Ha, thanks!

(It was part of the reason. Normally I'd have made the effort to import, but here I felt a bit like maybe it was just slightly funny to post the one-sided thing, which nudged against linking rather than posting; and also I thought I'd take the opportunity to see experimentally whether it seemed to lead to less engagement. But those reasons were not overwhelming, and now that you've put the full text here I don't find myself very tempted to remove it. :) )

owencb82

The judging process should be complete in the next few days. I expect we'll write to winners at the end of next week, although it's possible that will be delayed. A public announcement of the winners is likely to be a few more weeks.

owencb40

I don't see why (1) says you should be very early. Isn't the decrease in measure for each individual observer precisely outweighed by their increasing multitudes?

owencb73

This kind of checks out to me. At least, I agree that it's evidence against treating quantum computers as primitive that humans, despite living in a quantum world, find classical computers more natural.

I guess I feel more like I'm in a position of ignorance, though, and wouldn't be shocked to find some argument that quantum has in some other a priori sense a deep naturalness which other niche physics theories lack.

owencb20

You say that quantum computers are more complex to specify, but is this a function of using a classical computer in the speed prior? I'm wondering if it could somehow be quantum all the way down.

owencb7-1

It's not obvious that open source leads to faster progress. Having high quality open source products reduces the incentives for private investment. I'm not sure in which regimes that will play out that it's overall accelerationist, but I sort of guess that it will be decelerationist during an intense AI race (where the investments needed to push the frontier out are enormous and significantly profit-motivated).

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