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Less Wrong Lacks Representatives and Paths Forward
phonypapercut8y00

Is English your first language?

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People don't have beliefs any more than they have goals: Beliefs As Body Language
phonypapercut8y20

I'd go further, and say it's grossly narcissistic and hypocritical. The framing of nerds vs. non-nerds is itself an example of the described mode of communication.

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The dark arts: Examples from the Harris-Adams conversation
phonypapercut8y00

No. I assert that it would be (mildly) evil of you to give me white wine, given knowledge of my preference for red and equal availability.

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The dark arts: Examples from the Harris-Adams conversation
phonypapercut8y00

Not wrongness as a property of the wine no. But given knowledge of my preference and all else being equal, would it not be wrong to give me white over red?

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The dark arts: Examples from the Harris-Adams conversation
phonypapercut8y00

It's relevant because it determines whether the question matters.

Then it seems clear to me that the question shouldn't matter to you. Objectivists may be interventionists at a higher rate than relativists, but that bears no relation to which position is true.

No, not wrong. But having a different set of consequences.

That set of consequences being unpreferred, presumably. What is that if not an expression of (relative) wrongness?

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Can anyone refute these arguments that we live on the interior of a hollow Earth?
phonypapercut8y00

No. Temperature is not heat.

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The dark arts: Examples from the Harris-Adams conversation
phonypapercut8y00

I don't disagree in any regard. I still fail to see how this is relevant to the admitted point of contention;

whether calling moral ideas "true" or "false" is a category error.

As an aside, I infer that you think imposing one's morals on another would be wrong. Is that not a moral absolute itself?

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The dark arts: Examples from the Harris-Adams conversation
phonypapercut8y10

Agreed. Hence "if any". So why start talking about imposing morals?

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The dark arts: Examples from the Harris-Adams conversation
phonypapercut8y10

The issue is whether you should attempt to impose your morality, by force if necessary, on another human who doesn't agree with it.

The implication being moral absolutists think morality should be imposed by force? That seems far from being universally true, not least in rationalist circles.

Anyway, the point of contention isn't which moral ideas win or lose, but which, if any, are true.

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Open thread, June 26 - July 2, 2017
phonypapercut8y10

Now, I'm not addressing those that say morality is subjective and those that live solely for themselves.

I'd wager those not addressed are more numerous than you think, especially among lurkers.

I'm not confident that this better accounts for the disparity between your expectations and the survey numbers than confused altruists, but the thought occurs.

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