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Have general decomposers been formalized?

Thank you Abram. Yes, factored cognition is more what I had in mind. However, I think it's possible to speak of decomposition generally enough to say that PCA/SVD is a decomposer, albeit an incredibly parochial one that's not very useful to factored cognition.

Like, my read of IDA is that the distillation step is proposing a class of algorithms, and we may find that SVD was a member of that class all along.

How ought I spend time?

I'll check out Lynette's post.

I'd like to take a shot at technical AI alignment

How ought I spend time?

What granularity of time are you talking about? When you "never maintain 1 and 2 at the same time", is that any given minute, or any given decade?

I would say every couple months is an opportunity to either pivot or continue.

Have general decomposers been formalized?

Sorry, I think I might have a superficial understanding of encoders and embeddings. Would you be able to try pointing out for me how decomposition is performed in that case (or point me toward a favorite reading on the subject)? When I think of feeding a sentence into an encoder, I can think of multiple ways in which some compositional structure might be inferred.

I'm drawing up a proof of concept with seq2seq learners right now, but my hypothesis is that they will be inadequate decomposers suitable only for benchmarking a baseline.

The Politics of Age (the Young vs. the Old)

SITG-suffrage Sorry, by this point OP and I had established "right to vote weighted by stake" as a concept, using the words "skin-in-the-game", so SITG was an acronym for skin-in-the-game, and suffrage referred to right to vote.

Parents are different from any other group in my comment because I was referencing Richard Kennaway's question "Does having children whose future you care about also count as skin in the game?"

The Unexpected Philosophical Depths of the Clicker Game Universal Paperclips

A year or two before the paperclip version came out I played a lot of AdVenture Capitalist (and it's sequel, wait for it, AdVenture Communist), was wondering to myself whether reinforcement learning researchers would find it interesting, and wondering if deep mind would start training up agents to compete in AdVenture Capitalist tournaments.

The Politics of Age (the Young vs. the Old)

Does having children whose future you care about also count as skin in the game?

Unclear. There's a lot to unpack, because we don't know the 1. narcissism or 2. epistemic competence distributions across parents. I.e., we can't expect that what parents' say are in their kids' interests actually share their kids' interests (either through willful misdirection or through earnest mistakes).

Or you can say that your skin-in-the-game factor is proprotional to how much you've already invested in the status quo. If you've spent 50 years working towards a goal it seems unfair that a 16-year old know-nothing should be able, on a whim, to throw all of that away.

I don't mean to guilt-by-association dismiss this, but it strongly reminds me of the property/land interpretation of SITG-suffrage.

The risk of 16 year old know-nothings throwing things away on a whim is measured against the risk of bad "tradition is the democracy of the dead" / "most insolent of tyrannies is to govern from beyond the grave" scenarios. Which equilibrium is worse, a civilization unable to cooperate across lifetimes (because kids constantly throw everything away and start over, reinventing wheels and repeating mistakes), or one where adults only inherit agency at age 70 and by then all they care about is the same stuff the previous 70+ cohort cared about? I think "epistemically defer to the elderly when it seems wise to do so" is a more beneficial heuristic than "we owe the elderly deference for the sacrifices they made before I was born", and if we're going to bet on the distribution of how responsibly we expect these heuristics to scale, I'd much rather bet on the former.

The Politics of Age (the Young vs. the Old)

A skin-in-the-game vote multiplier based on age might look like mean lifespan - your age. That's the logical consequence of saying that people who have to put up with outcomes longer ought to weigh higher in shaping them. It should floor out at around 1 at the upper limit, and the lower limit should come from enforceability of anti-fraud measures (i.e. effectiveness at stopping parents from using kids who can't walk yet for extra votes) instead of from anyone's intuitions about when kids can think for themselves.

If some experts got together and said that brain development, knowledge, wisdom, etc. peaks at N, then you'd want the multiplier to be convex with a max at N.

With functions like these, averages between them, etc. there's a lot of material to play with, in terms of starting with one-person-one-vote and fixing it's weirdness with multipliers.

Maybe the latest in voting theory or the current stage of quadratic voting research already considered all this and came up with something more promising.

Do the best ideas float to the top?

IMO, this is what I briefly suggested by linking to Scott's Against Murderism with the words "misleading compression", i.e., I think describing a policy as murderistic and optimizing for stories are each instances of misleading compression.

If it’s only stories which matter, yet you split your efforts between stories and reality, then you will likely be outcompeted by someone who spent all of their resources on crafting good stories.

This is 100% what I find alarming about misinformation (both the malicious kind and the emergent/inadequate kind), and I don't know a reason why alignment via debate would be resilient.

Do the best ideas float to the top?

Sorry. The point was NAT, density_{1,2,3} was devised scaffolding for the MVB (minimum viable blogpost). I imagine that NAT has already been discovered, discussed, problematized etc. somewhere but I couldn't find it. I have a background assumption that attention economists are competent and well-intentioned people, so I trust that they have the situation under control.

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