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People don't have images of AI apocalypse
Worse yet, and probably more common, is having an image of an AI apocalypse, that came from irrational, or distorted sources.
Having a very clear image of an obviously fictional AI apocalypse, which your mind very easily jumps to whenever you hear people talking about X-risks, is often far more thought-limiting than having no preconceived image at all.
This was the main hurdle I had to believing in AI doom - I didn't have any coherent argument against it, and I found the doomy arguments pretty convincing. But the conclusion just sounded silly.
I'd fall back on talking points like "Well in the 1800s, people who believed in sci-fi narratives like you do, thought that electricity would ressurect the dead, and we'd be punished for playing god. You shouldn't take these paranoias so seriously."
(This is why I, and several other people I know, intentionally avoid evoking sci-fi-associated imagery when talking about AI)
If someone thinks that violence against AI labs is bad, then they will make it a taboo because they think it is bad, and they don't want violent ideas to spread.
There are a lot of interesting discussions to be had on why one believes this category of violence to be bad, and you can argue against these perspectives in a fairly neutral-sounding, non-stressful way, quite easily, if you know how to phrase yourself well.
A lot (although not all) people are fairly open to this.
If someone thinks that violence against AI labs is good, then they probably really wouldn't want you talking about it on a publicly accessible, fairly well-known website. It's a... (read more)
Yep this feels right to me! I think we agree on pretty much everything about this.
My main concern is that your post as-is could be misinterpreted as being along the lines of "Don't try to influence groups - only try to influence individuals manually, one at a time". It'd take a pretty extreme misinterpreter to take this to the full extent, but it could still be a negative influence on peoples' ability to deal with groups of people in effective ways.
Perhaps a good way of putting this is;
This is a great point, and very nicely made - but I do think it avoids the topic of why people end up in these styles of argument in the first place.
I think there would be more value in discussing How to deal with Mob & Bailey situations once they arise rather than How to stop Mob & Bailey situations from arising.
You point out, correctly, that Mob & Bailey situations tend to occur when one is overly anthropomorphising a group of people, as though that group were an individual person.
The real problem is, that there are situations where it really is useful to act that way for pragmatic reasons.
At least in my... (read more)
Interesting idea, but it seems risky.
Would life be the only, or for that matter, even the primary, complex system that such an AI would avoid interfering with?
Further, it seems likely that a curiosity-based AI might intentionally create or seek out complexity, which could be risky.
Think of how kids love to say "I want to go to the moon!" "I want to go to every country in the world!". I mean, I do too and I'm an adult. Surely a curiosity-based AI would attempt to go to fairly extreme limits for the sake of satiating its own curiosity, at the expense of other values.
Maybe such an AGI could have like... an allowance? "Never spend more than 1% of your resources on a single project" or something? But I have absolutely no idea how you could define a consistent idea of a "single project".
Nice, this is a really nice framework for a useful pattern that I've found myself using.
So, this seems to be based heavily off of Focussing - and one of the central tenets of Focussing, is to allow a feeling to express itself in its own terms, before trying to box it into a specific narrative. Personally, I've found this to be very helpful, and also, the hardest aspect of Focussing.
When a negative emotion comes up, it's incredibly hard to avoid instincts to declare "this emotion is wrong, I'm going to avoid it" or "this emotion is right, I'm going to dwell on it".
This seems to have a little conflict with HEAL -... (read more)