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As to the separate "cowardice" debate in this thread--relevant to bias because the label is being rejected because of political bias--let me ask this.
A man loses his job, can't find another, can't support his family, and so kills himself. Bravery?
A woman gets divorced, fears being alone, kills herself. Bravery?
Now, that's "personal" suicide, you'll be saying. Not "political" suicide. As if mass murder of civilians changes it from cowardice to bravery. As if killing yourself in the attack, so that you don't face the consequences of your mass murder, changes it from cowardice to bravery. As if being deluded into thinking you'll be banging virgins later changes... (read more)
A few points.
I also, on 9/11, thought, and in fact could see, that we'd overreact. I was in a bar where the average opinion was expressed as "just bomb'em, just bomb'em to pieces." I was there saying "bomb who?" I would have said "bomb whom" but it wasn't that kind of bar.
But the point of my post is that no one can calculate the ramifications of actions, or inactions. Did Hiroshima/Nagasaki cost lives, or save them? That's one of the clearest examples of "saving by killing" I can imagine, and I mean saving Japanese lives as well as American lives. Yet many auto-condemn the bombings.... (read more)
Denis Bider: if the response to 9/11 prevents many future deaths, than the original post ISN'T "entirely correct." But to those who can't comprehend the possibility that the so-called overreaction might have saved lives, consider that Al Quaeda was escalating attacks until it got the desired response: war. And what, pray tell, do you think the next level of escalation would be, that would one-up the thousands killed on 9/11? Nuclear terrorism, maybe. Biological terrorism. You're letting your hatred of Bush prejudice your interpretation of events. Personally, I agree that the Iraq invasion was a bad idea, and badly done. But I'm open (non-biased)... (read more)
I'd say they were cowards. Suicide isn't an act of bravery. Murdering the defenseless isn't an act of bravery. Even murdering soldiers in peacetime, when they aren't expecting attack, is cowardly. I still remember a kid who hit me from behind on the street once, because he was too much of a pussy to come up to my face about it. The hijackers attacked, during peacetime, civilians and murdered other civilians. That's cowardly in the extreme.
I understand the point of your post, and don't disagree with the basic premise. But just as you blew the Thanksgiving post with your "Native American Genocide Day" comment (even though you did not and can not present evidence that anyone anywhere is sitting around a table giving thanks that Native Americans suffered a (fictional) genocide), now you're claiming brainwashed (if not drug-induced) suicide of defenseless and unsuspecting people isn't the height of cowardice.
Is there a reason you can't work on your OWN biases?
National Native American Genocide Day?
You couldn't have been so ignorant and biased as to actually have written that, could you?
There are no native americans, unless you count me, who was born here. The so-called native americans were Asian immigrants. The so-called genocide was disease, not organized murder. The diseases were suffered first by Europeans themselves, who paid a great price to develop some immunity to them. And where did those diseases initially come from? Asia.
It doesn't sadden me to learn, for the millionth time, that there are people as ignorant and biased as you in this world. It just saddens me that you promote your bigotry on a blog called "overcoming bias."
Caledonian, joking in which way?
If you can't make the argument that the invasion is saving lives, and if you can't make the argument that it's costing lives, you don't belong in the argument.