yue's Shortform
Jun 13, 20251
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I’ve noticed that some responses have focused on my English fluency, thanks for for the feedback, and I genuinely welcome corrections if you spot unclear phrasing.
but this is not really about me or my individual writing.
I’ve noticed that some of the responses focused on my English fluency. I appreciate the feedback, and I do welcome suggestions for clearer phrasing.
But my concern here isn’t really about my own writing—it’s about something larger:
I come from a background where what you’re allowed to say is often vague and implicitly policed. Not by specific rules, but by the constant fear of crossing a line you didn’t know existed.
In such an environment, people tend to stay silent—because... (read 389 more words →)
See, this is exactly why the bar for me to express myself is so high. It’s like, thousands of TOEFL examiners reading my words, silently grading me in their heads. The tension is real,and if I make a grammar mistake or say something that gets misinterpreted or pushed back on—not because my idea was bad, but because the English didn’t land right, it feels even worse than losing points on an actual exam essay.
I’m not just speaking for myself here.
Yes, the process is exhausting for me—writing a draft, running it through an LLM for grammar and clarity check out, then going back and deliberately editing out anything that sounds “too smooth” or... (read more)
Thank you for your kind tone and for noticing the effort I’ve put into improving my English.. I genuinely appreciate that. Also, since this site values really precise language, the bar for non-native speakers gets really high. Unless you speak more than one language fluently, it’s hard to understand how tough that can be. You need way more courage and patience—we constantly have to double-to check if our logic makes sense, wording is clear enough, or if we’ve 100% understood what others meant in the first place. I believe your comment points to a deeper issue that deserves serious attention.(actually I’m worrying about if this sentence looks too “LLM-generated ” but i... (read 387 more words →)
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Are the LLM-writing rules here fair to non-native speakers?
For non-native English speakers who speak well like me (scored over 90 on the TOEFL, have English-speaking friends, can explain my field clearly in English—but don’t currently live in an English-speaking environment)reading and understanding English is OK but the hard part is recognizing the difference between “LLM style writing ” and “a perfect human writing .”
When I give my writing to an LLM for checking, and it changes some sentences, I tend to trust it If the meaning looks accurate, i’d just assume:“My original writing wasn’t native enough, LLM would never make a grammar mistake, So I must be wrong, it must be right.”
Now, just to avoid looking like I used an LLM, I’m forced to write entirely on my own—I have to apologize for the ridiculous grammar mistakes you may see in this post in advance.
Replying toPolicy for LLM Writing on LessWrong
I read through the replies and noticed that most people are discussing the value of human thinking versus AI thinking—these big, abstract questions. But I just wanna ask one, simple,question
Has anyone ever thought about how non-native English speakers’ feeling?
This community asks for high-quality, clearly written posts, but at the same time says, “don’t write like an AI.” For non-native speakers, it’s sooooo hard to meet that standard.
I scored over 90 on the TOEFL, I can speak English fluently and even explain academic material in my field clearly. But to make sure I don’t make grammar mistakes and that I’m using the right technical terms, I have to use LLMs to help check... (read more)
thank you for the thoughtful reply! i found the link that moderator sent me, here's the link
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/nA58rarA7FPYR8cov/allamericanbreakfast-s-shortform?commentId=kpacwcjddWmSGEAwD