Super naive question: What are the implications of donating to some organization that is politically active (e.g. an org that is active regarding AI safety) rather than directly to candidates? Can this be done without creating public records? If it does create public records, would they be similarly disqualifying for policy positions?
Donations to US political campaigns are legally required to be publicly disclosed, whereas donations to US 501c3 nonprofits and 501c4 policy advocacy organizations are not legally required to be publicly disclosed and can be kept private.
Looks like the 501c4 organizations can engage in political activity up to the point of running ads supporting or opposing specific candidates. But political activities cannot be >50% of their activities and they can't directly give money to candidates. So I guess it's a decent but not perfect option for someone concerned about these issues.
Yep. These are mentioned in the post. I think 501c4s are often good donation opportunities. But it's also widely agreed upon that they're a much less effective way (more than 5x less effective) to support a candidate than direct, "hard-dollar" contributions to a candidate, except in some unusual cases where the campaign is being silly/the c4s are being extremely clever or for presidential elections where the campaigns have much more money.
For most races there also simply doesn't exist a dedicated c4 trying to support a particular candidate (rather than push some agenda). (This is another way presidential races differ, though.)
I appreciate this analysis, especially as someone considering donating and who falls in the target audience in some ways, and at an opportune / time-sensitive moment.
That said, my gut reaction is that reading this analysis and then holding off on donating to a candidate you like because of these considerations feels... kinda democrat-coded, in a negative way.
It reminded me of this post by Richard Hanania. Of course, Hanania himself is a pretty controversial figure, and could probably not get an appointment in an administration of any political stripe at this point. But he has an influence and reach on the right that is the envy of many, and which has translated to direct impact on policy. Many of his takes are also well-regarded by more left-leaning / centrist public intellectuals and writers (though probably not so much among mainstream elected democrats), especially lately since he has become more anti-Trump.
Anyway, donating to a political candidate is much more tame / low-stakes than anything Hanania posts on Twitter or Substack. So, if you're interested in politics or policy work (even in a narrow / relatively non-partisan way) and are impressed by what Hanania has accomplished, consider reversing the advice in this post - make whatever donations you want, lean into any controversy / trouble it brings, and don't be afraid to wear and defend your honestly-held views because of PR / career considerations.
Or, turning it around: if you find that one day you're an elected official (or staffer / advisor in the PPO) tasked with screening and vetting potential political appointees or otherwise making these kinds of hiring decisions, consider whether taking someone's past political donations into account is giving in to a culture of lameness and cowardice and femininity, at least in the eyes of Richard Hanania and his fans.
[edit: Not sure if it's the source of the downvotes / solider mindset react, but to clarify, the last paragraph is the advice I would give to a Trump staffer or hypothetical Vance staffer in the PPO who is considering whether to filter out someone for a political appointment because of past political donations, couched in terms and language (from the Hanania post) that might appeal to them.]
Is the idea that Hanania is evidence that being very public about your contrarian opinions is helpful for policy influence? If so, that seems wrong:
That's not to say that nobody should be doing the loud contrarian approach; the world would be worse if everyone were self-censoring to the degree incentivized by DC policy careers. But I think people should be clear-eyed about the costs and benefits.
Is the idea that Hanania is evidence that being very public about your contrarian opinions is helpful for policy influence?
No. I'm more saying that the act of carefully weighing up career capital / PR considerations, and then not donating to a democrat based on a cost-benefit analysis of those considerations, feels to me like very stereotypical democrat / blue-tribe behavior.
And further, that some people could have a visceral negative reaction to that kind of PR sensitivity more so than the donations themselves. The Hanania post is an example of the flavor of that kind of negative reaction (though it's not exactly the same thing, I admit).
Separately, I'm not advising people to follow in Hanania's footsteps in terms of deliberately being contrarian and courting controversy, but he is a good example of "not caring about PR / self-censoring at all" and still doing well.
I would rather guess that this pivot has been really costly to his influence on the right, and if he had self-censored, he'd be more influential.
Sure, but if he were the kind of person who would do that, he probably would not have gotten as popular as he is in the first place.
No. I'm more saying that the act of carefully weighing up career capital / PR considerations, and then not donating to a democrat based on a cost-benefit analysis of those considerations, feels to me like very stereotypical democrat / blue-tribe behavior.
Strongly disagree with the implication that Republicans/conservatives don't carefully weigh up career capital and PR considerations when making decisions like this! The vast majority of elected Republicans and even more of their staff are comparably strategic in this regard as their Democratic counterparts. Of course, the exceptions are much higher-profile, which I think could be leading to an availability bias. (Again, notably Hanania is not employed in the government.)
And further, that some people could have a visceral negative reaction to that kind of PR sensitivity more so than the donations themselves.
"Some people," sure. Federal government hiring managers? No.
Sure, but if he were the kind of person who would do that, he probably would not have gotten as popular as he is in the first place.
I mean, depends on if your goal is serving in the government or becoming a widely read Substacker.
And even then I'm not sure it's true; many, many media figures with huge followings on both sides of the aisle are hardcore partisans. See for example (most of) the hosting lineups of MSNBC and Fox. LessWrong is an extreme outlier in how much readers intentionally consume heterodox and disagreeable content; the vast majority of political media consumers trust and prefer to listen to their co-partisans.
I agree / believe you that it's common for Republican staffers to have refrained from ever donating to a Democratic cause, and that this is often more of a strategic decision than a completely uniform / unwavering opposition to every Democrat everywhere.
I still think that the precise kind of optics considerations described and recommended in this post (and other EA-ish circles) are subtly but importantly different from what those staffers are doing. And that this difference is viscerally perceptible to some "red tribe"-coded people, but something of a blind spot for traditionally blue-tribe coded people, including many EAs.
I'm not really making any strong claims about what the distribution / level of caring about all this is likely to be among people with hiring authority in a red tribe administration. Hanania was probably a bad example for me to pick for that kind of question, but I do think he is an exemplar of some aspects of "red tribe" culture that are at a zenith right now, and understanding that is important if you actually want to have a realistic chance at a succeeding in a high-profile / appointee position in a red tribe administration. But none of this is really in tension with also just not donating to democrats if that's you're aspiration, so I'm not really strongly dis-recommending the advice in this post or anything.
Another way of putting things: I suspect that "refrained from donating to a democrat I would have otherwise supported because I read a LW / EAF about optics" is anti-correlated with a person's chances of actually working in a Republican administration in a high-profile capacity. But I'm not particularly confident that that's actually true in real life [edit: and not confident that the effect is causal rather than evidential], and especially not confident that the effect is large vs. the first order effect of just quietly taking the advice in the post. I am more confident that being blind to the red-tribe cultural things I gestured at is going to be pretty strongly anti-correlated, though.
I still think that the precise kind of optics considerations described and recommended in this post (and other EA-ish circles) are subtly but importantly different from what those staffers are doing.
It's true that LessWrong readers would be doing a subtly but importantly different thing from what the staffers are doing. But the way that it's different is that Congressional staffers, of all political persuasions, are much more intuitively and automatically doing these kinds of considerations because they're pursuing careers in policy and politics in DC, whereas LessWrong readers tend to be technical people largely in the Bay Area who might someday later consider a career in policy and politics, and therefore they need to have these considerations explicitly laid out, as would anyone who's considering a career pivot into an industry with very different norms.
Nit: if it was common enough for people within a specific coalition to donate to candidates of both parties due to their single-issue concern, one might imagine that it would lose a lot of its strength as a negative signal (except maybe with the current admin, which as you note is very loyalty-focused).
I think there's no world where it becomes that common, because most people care more about loyalty to their party than they do about particular issues. And most donors are not making donation decisions based on anything like the considerations in this post.
We don't need most donors to make decisions based on the considerations in this post, we need a single high-profile media outlet to notice that the interesting fact that the same few hundred names keep showing up on the lists of donors to candidates with particular positions on AI. The coalition doesn't need to be large in an absolute sense; it just needs to be recognizably something you can point to when talking to a "DC person" and they'll go, "oh, yeah, those people". (This is already the case! Just, uh, arguably in a bad way, instead of a good way.)
If one doesn't plan to go into politics, is there any value in being a bipartisan single-issue donor? How much must one donate for it to be accompanied with a message of "I will vote for whoever is better on AI x-risk"?
Other than the specific cases mentioned in the post I don't really think it's very valuble. I think it can be very worthwhile to support politicians because they care about AI safety, but refusing to ever give to any politician outside of that won't matter very much, since it's weird, hard to make it credible, and doesn't change the picture that much (since you're presumably not donating to most politicians anyway). Plus there are other things you might want to support that can still matter, even from an AI-safety perspective (like pandemic preparedness or technological literacy).
FWIW I’m pretty doubtful of this point about it being weird / or even anyone noticing or caring?
Like, for someone not going into politics, what’s the world in which their $3500 donations to a few AI safety-centric candidates ends up causing fallout? It seems pretty unlikely to me, but maybe I’ve misunderstood the concern
I’m close to a single-issue voter/donor. I tend to like politicians who show strong support for AI safety, because I think it’s an incredibly important and neglected problem. So when I make political donations, it’s not as salient to me which party the candidate is part of, if they've gone out of their way to support AI safety and have some integrity.[1] I think many people who focus on AI safety feel similarly.
But working in government also seems important. I want the government to have the tools and technical understanding it needs to monitor AI and ensure it doesn’t cause a catastrophe. Some people are concerned that donating to Democrats makes it harder to work in a Republican administration, or that donating to Republicans makes it harder to work in a Democrat administration. Administrations understandably care about loyalty (though they also care about domain expertise), and they have to filter through a lot of people and must make quick heuristics-based judgements. So even if you vibe with the political philosophy of the administration, if you donated to the other side (even if only because a few of their politicians supported AI safety), your donation can make it hard to get certain government jobs.
(I think strong versions of this concern might be a little like giving into blackmail, and I’m very sympathetic to arguments that people should ignore this concern and donate to whatever politicians they want to. I’m considering that question out of scope and aiming this document at people who would ordinarily be too hesitant to give to politics at all. I want to improve on that baseline.)
The reasoning goes something like “if everyone knowledgeable about AI safety donated to every politician who supports AI safety, then fewer people would be able to work in government.”
But if everyone knowledgeable about AI safety refused to donate to politicians, then the politicians championing this important cause would be left high and dry (and fighting against some large super PACs punishing them for supporting safety).
In this post I'll summarize my understanding of how real the career concerns are after talking to several experts and people with first-hand experience, and I'll propose a course of action that I think lets people get as much of the best of both worlds as possible.
This document is largely aimed at technical people who could do valuable specialized work in the government, since many technical people don’t have strong partisan views and are thus open to working for any administration but don’t know how to navigate the relevant career considerations.
I know of no examples where an individual’s donation history[4] affected their ability to run an organization that wasn’t directly working with the government, or affected the public’s perception of that organization.
Outside of partisan organizations like political advocacy groups or think tanks, it is very rare (and in many states illegal) for employers to decide whether or not to hire people based on political affiliation/donations.
There has been a small amount of backlash towards EA in general due to political involvement, but this was for much more out-of-distribution involvement than political donations.
Obviously, this recommendation is kind of silly, for example, in reality some factors multiply instead of adding, but I think that when people see a document with a whole bunch of considerations and no way to aggregate them together, they just get overwhelmed and bounce off.
I think putting them in this format forces people to actually make decisions and wrestle with the magnitude of various numbers. I expect this algorithm to give a better answer than if you just sat down and tried to think about things for 30 minutes, unless you have pretty unusual circumstances that are not covered by the algorithm.
If not, do you expect to be able to get security clearance (US citizen, not dating a Chinese/Russian/Iranian national, doesn’t use illegal drugs or could easily stop using illegal drugs[6])? +2
This check list is not comprehensive. If you feel like there’s something unique about you that this list doesn’t capture, use common sense to adjust your score. I also recommend talking to an advisor if your score is 8 or above and you could feel really excited about working in the admin! (I know I’m plugging that a lot, but all of this is just very individual so the value of talking to an expert is high.)
I am aware it’s hard to score an 11 on this quiz and that it filters most people out! That’s the point!
Many policy positions can be very impactful. If your career plan is to do policy work, then you already know the answer. This is for people who do not currently plan to work in policy/government.
These are some counterarguments I’ve heard from knowledgeable experts who have disagreed with parts of this document:
I am a technical person, not a policy person. So take everything I say with a grain of salt. I have talked to ~7 different policy people about this stuff and ran this doc by some of them.
More than once I've seen different reviewers say my bar is too high or too low for the exact same item in my list, so I think I’ve successfully synthesized everyone’s positions fairly well. But keep in mind people disagree a lot!
Though I also care about other things; it’s a bit of a simplification that I’d necessarily automatically donate to someone just because they sponsor one bill.
People sometimes also support candidates through means other than directly donating to the campaign. For example super PACs (not to be confused with PACs), or indirectly via c4s (which can’t advocate for a candidate but can do things like targeted voter registration efforts). I don’t recommend doing this as these opportunities are less impactful (>5x worse, except in rare cases where the campaign is being very silly or an external org is being very clever), only apply to certain races, and are often already filled by larger donors.
It's worth noting this could have some real benefits. The argument for them is these protections previously made it burdensome to fire federal employees who weren't performing well. I haven't personally looked into if they're a good or bad idea overall.
Outside of very rich people creating super PACs and sinking many millions into elections.
Which is not to say I think nonpartisan public intellectuals are particularly better than partisan ones; both seem useful.
I suspect people sometimes overestimate how hard it would be to get a security clearance if they currently use illegal drugs. While I’d very much recommend not using any illegal drugs if you plan to get a security clearance, I think in practice you have a good shot at getting your clearance anyway even if you haven’t been perfectly clean for a year, as long as you’re honest about it, your usage has been quite moderate, and you are capable of staying clean going forward.