From this twitter thread by Jonathan Gorard, lightly edited by me https://x.com/getjonwithit/status/2009602836997505255?s=20
About a decade ago, in 2017, I developed an automated theorem-proving framework that was ultimately integrated into Mathematica. The real reason for building it, beyond it just being a fun algorithmic puzzle, was because my then-collaborator @stephen_wolfram and I wanted to perform an empirical investigation: to systematically enumerate possible axiom systems, and see what theorems were true. We constructed an enumeration scheme, set the theorem-prover running, and waited. Unsurprisingly, most axiom systems we encountered were completely barren. But occasionally we'd see one we recognized: group theory shows up around no. 30,000, Boolean logic at ~50,000. Continuing further, we found topology at ~200,000, set theory at ~800,000, and so on.
Within each of these systems, the prover quickly rediscovered the standard lemmas and theorems (as well as many more true results that were not immediately recognizable as interesting). Moreover, in between the barren wastelands and the known fields of mathematics, there seemed to be thousands of other "alien" axiom systems: mathematical systems just as rich as topology or set theory, with just as many non-trivial theorems, but which did not correspond to any known mathematical objects or theories that humans had ever investigated. Weird algebraic structures, funky nonstandard logics, operator theories with strange arities, etc.
I spent months trying to understand these "alien mathematicses", as well as the new "alien theorems" we'd discovered within existing fields. I developed increasingly sophisticated methods of analysis: one of my favorites was to construct proof graphs, then use vertex outdegrees to assess which lemmas were the "load-bearing" parts of the proof and use those to construct "conceptual waypoints" from which the other parts of the proof could be recursively constructed. But after ~6 months, I gave up. I could learn to manipulate the rules of these systems, I could develop "formal intuitions" for their behavior yet in the end they didn't "make sense" to me on any deep instinctive level. I couldn't figure out why we cared about these structures, or what the stories behind the theorems were. There was no motivation, no intuition, no big questions to which these were answers.
He also describes one such system a bit in https://x.com/getjonwithit/status/2010422931583860860?s=20
I think this is evidence that humans have a tendency to invent mathematical axioms that generate useful mathematics for the natural sciences, somehow.
Half a year or so ago I stumbled across Eugene Wigner's 1960's article "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences". It asks a fairly simple question. Why does mathematics generalize so well to the real world? Even in cases where the relevant math was discovered (created?) hundreds of years before the physics problems we apply it to were known. In it he gives a few examples. Lifted from wikipedia:
The puzzle here seems real to me. My conception of mathematics is that you start with a set of axioms and then explore the implications of them. There are infinitely many possible sets of starting axioms you can use [1] . Many of those sets are non-contradictory and internally consistent. Only a tiny subset correspond to our physical universe. Why is it the case that the specific set of axioms we've chosen, some of which were established in antiquity or the middle ages, corresponds so well to extremely strange physical phenomenon that exist at levels of reality we would not have access to until the 20th century?
Let's distinguish between basic maths, things like addition and multiplication, and advance math. I think it's unsurprising that basic maths reflects physical reality. A question like "why does maths addition and adding objects to a pile in reality work in the same way" seems answered by some combination of two effects. The first is social selection for the kinds of maths we work on to be pragmatically useful. e.g: maths based on axioms where addition works differently would not have spread/been popular/had interested students for most of history. The second is evolution contouring our minds to be receptive to the kind of ordered thinking that predicts our immediate environment. Even if not formalized, humans have a tendency towards thinking about their environment, reasoning and abstract thought. Our ancestors who were prone to modes of abstract reasoning that correlated less well with reality were probably selected against.
As for advance math, I do think it's more surprising. The fact that maths works for natural phenomenon which are extremely strange, distant from our day to day experience or evolutionary environment and often where the natural phenomenon were discovered centuries after the maths in question seems surprising. Why does this happen? A few possible explanations spring to mind:
Hmmmmm. I think 2 kind of begs the question. The core weird thing here is that our maths universe is so well correlated with our physical universe. The two answers here seem to be
I don't have a good answer here. This is a problem I should think about more.
Maybe. Possibly at some point you cease being able to add non contradictory axioms that are also cannot be collapsed/simplified. ↩︎