Huemer's "standard argument for PC" doesn't make sense to me. OK, so it is self-defeating to believe not-PC. Does this mean we are justified in believing PC? Why not say that we don't have a belief on whether PC is true one way or the other?
(Personally I think PC is obvious, but I don't think it's possible to prove its obviousness / justifiedness analytically)
it’s much less plausible to me that my belief in logical entailments is mind-dependent and not true for everyone everywhere.
why? does the same evolutionary 'underminer' not apply here?
we should expect to find ourselves in minds that accept entailments optimized for reproductive fitness. we can argue that they should let us 'do physics' based on instrumental reasons[1]. but it's unclear to me that they should give us access to any kind of 'objective mathematics', or even that such a thing should exist.
even that seems like it could be limited to certain scales, gravitations, or parts of space, or so on.
I think there may be roughly at least one moral realist foundational imperative; vaguely that doing something optional (e.g. not in self-defense) to another agent requires their CEV to consent to it. I don't think any particular definitions of consent without CEV could be objectively true because of the children problem; creating and raising a child may be morally correct but involves a period of non-consent.
Counterarguments are that CEV doesn't exist for enough agents to be meaningful, CEV can't be calculated well enough to be useful, "optional" isn't specific enough, or that there exists a conflicting objective moral framework.
I think the answer to all these counterarguments is basically "well, then try to do as close as possible to what we all would wish could exist with CEV consent" and if this would lead to terrible forever wars then I am simply wrong (or terrible forever wars are what the gods demand).
Figure from Chapter 4 of Understanding Knowledge by Michael Huemer
On a high level there aren’t that many ways knowledge can be justified (or not). This figure from the book “Understanding Knowledge” by Michael Huemer illustrates the options you have:
Foundationalism is generally the most popular view (~60% of philosophers according to the 2020 PhilPapers survey). Coherentism is second at around 20%. From Huemer again:
Despite the popularity of Foundationalism among current and historical philosophers, anecdotally I notice people appeal to Coherentism in lay conversations. Not explicitly, but rather at some point they’ll imply that they believe a system of facts because they all cohere. Then, if you press them, e.g. by pointing out that there could be multiple conflicting coherent belief systems, they reply by saying “well, ok, if I accept Fundamentalism then I can simply assert that X Y Z are my fundamental beliefs and there’s nothing you can do to argue with me!”.
So I’d like to explain why this mode of thinking is mistaken. Adopting a Foundationalist epistemology doesn’t give you a carte blanche to believe whatever.
My preferred flavor of Foundationalism is Phenomenal Conservatism (PC), a term coined by Huemer. PC is an account of what justifies foundational beliefs without the requirement for reasons. In “Compassionate Phenomenal Conservatism”, Huemer formulates PC as follows:
PC is about seemings or appearances—a distinctive experiential state.
Huemer’s standard argument for PC is a self-defeat argument, where he claims that rejecting PC ends up in a self-undermining position. Specifically, he argues that:
Unsurprisingly critics often attack (1). Huemer defends this as follows:
I agree with this.
So, why can’t you, in an argument with me, say “Well X just seems to me to be that way so bam! I win the argument”?
Well, you can say that. Ultimately, it’s impossible for me to prove to an external observer—say, a perfectly fair and intelligent debate judge—that your seeming that X is true isn’t strong enough to overwhelm any conflicting seemings and their implications. PC is an internalist theory: what justifies your belief is your appearances. Nonetheless I might find this implausible and try to convince you by pointing out the implications of your other seemings.
Importantly, PC says that appearances get “at least some degree of justification” and only “in the absence of defeaters.” A defeater is information that undermines the justification a seeming would otherwise provide. A rebutting defeater is evidence that the proposition is false—including, notably, other people’s contrary seemings and your own conflicting intuitions. An undercutting defeater is evidence that the seeming itself is untrustworthy—for instance, learning that it was produced under the influence of drugs, cultural indoctrination, or motivated reasoning.
So though I can’t definitively refute a claim that your seeming is so strong as to overwhelm any competing evidence, that requires you to make this extraordinary claim—that the seeming is that strong. If you still have some uncertainty then there’s more to discuss, since we can start considering the implications of your other foundational beliefs and how those might act as defeaters.
Of course, it’s rarely necessary to trace beliefs you’re confident in to their foundational components. For example, for the purposes of many arguments we may agree that the rules of logic are correct, that mathematical relationships hold as usual, or that consensus historical or scientific information is true. So if I use some scientific facts to undermine your position, I am in some sense using one set of foundational appearances to undermine another, but I’m not going as far as to point out which foundational appearances underlie your confidence in the scientific facts, since we already agree on them.
Let’s consider a concrete example: I often debate people on moral realism. I’m an anti-realist—I don’t think moral facts are objective and mind-independent. Rather I think our moral instincts our downstream of our psychologies—subjective, personal, preference-based. Many others I speak to are realists, often because it seems to them, extremely strongly, that, say, torturing people for fun is wrong in some objective sense. Not just contrary to their own preferences, or disapproved of by society, but wrong in a way that would remain true even if everyone in the world (including them) became pro-torture.
In response, I mention an undercutting defeater: our moral intuitions ultimately exist in our brains that were shaped by evolution and natural selection. And they correspond suspiciously well to intuitions that would help individuals and societies have high reproductive fitness. While it makes sense that natural selection would result in eyes that accurately see things in the real world (since it’s necessary to interact with the real world to get resources and so on), there’s no particular reason to think natural selection would result in moral instincts based on objective moral truth (since there’s no reason to think that following objectively correct morality helps you survive and reproduce). In addition, different cultures end up with diverging and conflicting moral codes, seemingly well-suited to what helps them survive in their natural environment. So overall the process that produced our moral seemings looks unrelated to any notion of objective moral truth.
Analogously, let’s say you see a glass of water, and so you have a strong reason to believe there’s one on the table in front of you. This is reasonable until you find out that you were just drugged with a potion that is known to produce hallucinations of glasses of water. Then you are back to square one—you have little reason to believe that there’s a glass of water in front of you.
This argument for moral anti-realism is called the evolutionary debunking argument. Refuters may respond that we can’t know for sure whether our moral instincts are what evolution would naturally elicit for reproductive fitness. It’s possible that, if not for the effect of objective moral truths, our instincts would be different, for instance more self-serving. It’s of course impossible to evaluate this counterfactual. So whether or not you buy the evolutionary debunking argument depends on the relative strengths of the intuitions involved. Perhaps it seems more obvious to you that torturing children is objectively wrong than that any premise of the debunking argument is true. Nothing in PC forbids this, and then we end up with a genuinely insurmountable disagreement. The same argument functions as a successful defeater in my belief system and a defeated one in yours, and there is no neutral vantage point from which a fair and intelligent debate judge could rule on whose seemings are the right strength. That’s the price of an internalist epistemology.
Similarly, Mackie’s Argument from Queerness argues that moral facts are just too weird:
This is also a compelling argument to me. But again, if your moral seemings are strong enough, they might overwhelm this queerness. For instance, the “Companions in Guilt” objection to Mackie argues that the exact same accusation applies to the rules of logic and mathematics, which also don’t have associated atoms and may be described as “queer”. The difference for me is that my logical intuitions or seemings are much, much stronger than my moral ones. It is perfectly plausible to me that my moral instincts are entirely subjective and a product of biology and culture. But it’s much less plausible to me that my belief in logical entailments is mind-dependent and not true for everyone everywhere.
So once we reach this point in the argument, I can only urge my interlocutor to introspect and ask themselves whether, internally, their moral seemings are strong enough to overcome these various potential defeaters. I know that for me the answer is no. But maybe for you the answer is yes.