So what do compatibilists actually mean by free will? In my post laying out the case for free will, I defined free will as the process of running a decision-making algorithm.
It still has other definitions for other people.
it's possible that Sapolsky doesn't have a good case against compatibilist free will and that compatibilist isn't the right definition.
This process gives us the feeling of free will and is the causal mechanism behind making choices. Unlike Sapolsky’s criterion of doing things for “no reason,” it responds to reasons.
Unfortunately, the word "reason" sometimes means "cause" in English. Anything that is not fully deterministic is to some extent lacking in causation...
Yes, it’s influenced by whether you’re tired or hungry, but this doesn’t make it unfree.
..but not completely. It might be impossible for an event to completely lack any level of causal influence , but that isn't necessary for.libertarian free will...and it is not even relevant to compatibilist FW.
Consider what he’s actually asking for: a neuron that fires for no reason, influenced by nothing—not your environment, not your history, not your desires, not your reasoning. What would that even be?
"Fires for no reason" is pretty ambiguous, but I think you are directionally correct there.
Sure, chaotic systems are still deterministic
That isn't an argument for determinism, anyway, because there are.other sources of indeterminism.
One compatibilist philosopher after another reassuringly proclaims their belief in material, deterministic modernity…yet somehow, there is still room for free will
It doesn't leave room for.libertarian free will. He seems.not to understand that compatibilists define free will differently.
I think this whole debate is a very strange one. I agree with you that Sapolsky is arguing against a nearly incoherent concept. That's because free will by an intuitive definition of those terms is incoherent or nearly so.
Why would you want your will to be uncaused or random?
What people reasonably want is to feel that they make decisions that matter. They do. We want to feel that our efforts to make good decisions help to achieve our goals and values. They do.
Calling this the compatibilist position on free will is questionable. It's pretty standard, but I think it might be a mistake to use that terminology.
And that's where the trouble starts and perhaps where it ends. It's a definitional problem.
Using the term self-determination instead of free will seems helpful. Our current self didn't create itself, but it does help create our future self and our outcomes.
Whether to call that free will or not is quite a terminology decision. Those claims don't seem to match the intuitive definition of those words, but they do seem to match much of the reason people care about those words. So either choice seems pretty problematic.
I almost feel like this whole debate is caused by an unfortunate choice of terminology. There are interesting questions about the degrees to which we have self-determination, but we almost never get to those interesting questions because we're busy being confused and arguing about the term free will.
I think this whole debate is a very strange one. I agree with you that Sapolsky is arguing against a nearly incoherent concept. That’s because free will by an intuitive definition of those terms is incoherent or nearly so.
Why would you want your will to be uncaused or random?
You appear to be addressing libertarian free will specifically. It's not obvious that the libertarian definition is the only intuitive one.
Anyway, the question has multiple standard answers you can just look up:-
Phenomenal Conservatism. It seems to us that make free decisions on the spot. This needs to be explained or explained away.
Moral Responsibility. If you could not have done otherwise, you are not responsible. Determinism means you could not have done otherwise, so no one is responsible. Indeterminism means randomness , up to a point.
Sourcehood. Similarly, the originator of a plan of action has the responsibility, not the intermediary. An uncaused cause is a point of of origination .. whereas determinism only allows the big bang as the origin of everything.
Open Future. The future is not inevitable in a n indeterministic universe, so you actually can avoid being killed by AI.
(All.of these can be nitpicked of course, but that isn't the point. A nitpickable answer is still an answer).
What people reasonably want is to feel that they make decisions that matter. They do.
They matter more if they are part of a process of steering toward a non-inevitable future.
And that’s where the trouble starts and perhaps where it ends. It’s a definitional problem
It's problem of definitions, and concerns (what's worth wanting) and facts about how the universe works and facts about how the mind/brain works..
I think that dismantling the problem into separate problems .. conscious control,.moral responsibility, elbow room,.and.so.on .. is the right way to go ...but I don't think it leads to the conclusion that the whole subject is incoherent,.or that there is one obviously correct answer.
There are interesting questions about the degrees to which we have self-determination
Determinism has a straightforward answer: Everything about you was fully determined by the Big Bang before you were born, so there is no room for any additional self determination.
and what we should care about, in this area is complex. I think it’s made much more complex and confusing than it needs to be by using the term fees will.
"Libertarianiam" and "compatibilism" are already available, although for some. reason you dislike compatibilism.
My primary claim is that free will is a terrible term.
You are right that talking about what people do care about, and what we should care about, in this area is complex. I think it's made much more complex and confusing than it needs to be by using the term free will.
My statement about what people care about is intended as a guess about a majority of people, and also a normative statement about what it makes sense to care about. Those are both complex claims.
I'm not going to defend those because I need to go to sleep and then work on alignment. I've burned a lot of time and energy on this question. I feel that the use of the term free will has already caused me to waste a lot of time I'll never get back. The substantive questions are interesting, butt the time wasted on miscommunication in this area is substantial and frustrating.
Perhaps I should have stopped at saying I think free will is a bad term and I suggest you consider using the term self-determination instead.
Imagine someone wrote a 500-page book called Taking Down Vegetarianism and every chapter was about how animals can feel pain. The arguments are well-researched, the science is fascinating, and by the end you're completely convinced that animals suffer. You look up from the book and say: “Yes, that's why I'm a vegetarian… wait, why was it called Taking Down Vegetarianism?” That was roughly my experience reading Robert Sapolsky's Determined: A Science of Life without Free Will.
The book is a much-lauded New York Times bestseller for good reason. Sapolsky, a professor of neuroscience at Stanford, is an engaging and articulate writer, and he does a lot to make recent advances in neuroscience accessible.
The trouble comes when he attempts to add philosophy on top of it. He wants to demolish free will, and specifically to "take on" compatibilism, the position I defended in my previous post. Unfortunately, he doesn’t. He barely engages with it. Instead, he attacks an incoherent notion so bizarre it wouldn't be free will even if it existed.
The Problem
Sapolsky commits his original sin, appropriately enough, at the origin. He tells us that he has written a book about free will, and explains the landscape of beliefs as follows (his italics, my bolding):
Then he says this (his italics, my bolding):
Sapolsky is making the causal regress argument: trace any decision back through the neural chain, and you'll find prior causes all the way down—neurons, hormones, genes, childhood, culture, and so on. His challenge is to find a break in this chain, a "causeless cause."
But compatibilists don't claim there's a break in the chain. Compatibilists fully accept that decisions are caused by neural processes shaped by biology, environment, and history. That's the whole point of compatibilism—free will is compatible with this.
So what do compatibilists actually mean by free will? In my post laying out the case for free will, I defined free will as the process of running a decision-making algorithm. This process gives us the feeling of free will and is the causal mechanism behind making choices. Unlike Sapolsky's criterion of doing things for "no reason," it responds to reasons. Yes, it's influenced by whether you're tired or hungry, but this doesn’t make it unfree. That's it working properly. A decision that could be otherwise if your desires, reasoning, or circumstances were different is exactly the kind of decision compatibilists call free.
But the problem with Sapolsky's definition isn't just that it's different from mine; it's that it’s incoherent. It describes something that couldn't exist and wouldn't be free will even if it did. Consider what he's actually asking for: a neuron that fires for no reason, influenced by nothing—not your environment, not your history, not your desires, not your reasoning. What would that even be?
If it's uncorrelated with your past actions, then how is it your free will? Suppose your friends are all playing basketball and you want to play with them. On Sapolsky's account, you can't, because then your behavior (playing basketball) would be influenced by your experiences (your friends asking you to play). What kind of “free will” is this? Your "free" actions would have to be disconnected from everything you care about.
It wouldn't let you interact with the world. Imagine a neuron that makes you say your own name, but since it can't respond to your environment, it can't fire because someone asked "What's your name?" You'd blurt out your name at random, unable to respond appropriately to anything. This is not free will in any reasonable sense.
Sapolsky frames this as setting a high bar. But it’s not a high bar. It's an incoherent and nonsensical bar. If his definitions were satisfied, if we found such causeless neurons, that wouldn’t look the slightest bit like free will. It would be random noise that happens to occur inside your skull. If we found such a neuron, it wouldn't vindicate free will so much as be evidence of a brain malfunction.
This is why I say this isn't just a semantic dispute. If Sapolsky simply defined free will differently from compatibilists, we could argue about whose definition better captures the concept. But you can't have that argument when one side hasn't described a coherent concept at all. Sapolsky could define "your achievement" as an outcome you had no role in causing, but there's no productive debate to be had about whether that definition is too strict or too lenient. It's just not what the word means.
Sloppy Engagement
Despite claiming to take on compatibilism, he repeatedly tries to disprove it by arguing for determinism. Early on, he says:
Perhaps he thinks he’s arguing against compatibilism, but he’s not. Here he is, for example, attributing to compatibilists a view they don't hold:
He specifically mentions compatibilists here, but then goes on to say this:
Sure, chaotic systems are still deterministic, but how is that a refutation of compatibilism? Going back to his own definition, compatibilism is the belief that “The world is deterministic and there is free will.” How could more evidence of determinism be a refutation of compatibilism?
Also, note that predictability is not a crux. From my essay:
There are other examples of this (see the appendix for one more), but you get the idea.
Dismissiveness
Instead of engaging with compatibilism, he’s very dismissive of it. Near the end, he says:
This is not even engaging with the arguments. For what it’s worth, I explicitly say I’m not using this as an argument in my piece:
Trying to Answer a Philosophical Question with Science
This is all very disappointing for a book purportedly about free will. I think where Sapolsky goes wrong is that he's trying to answer a philosophical question with science alone. Science can certainly inform the question but it cannot settle it.
Look, I like science. Science can tell us a lot about the world. It can tell us the neural mechanisms behind decision-making in the brain, the timing of conscious awareness relative to neural activity (as in the famous Libet experiments), and how factors like brain lesions or physical trauma (e.g. Phineas Gage) affect behavior.
But science can’t tell us everything. Science tells us what the world is like, but it can’t tell us, given that world, which concepts make sense and how to apply them.
Consider a thermostat. Science can tell us every physical fact about it: how there’s a bimetallic strip and a circuit and so on. But it can't tell us whether the thermostat is "making a decision." That's a conceptual question about what it means to "make a decision" and where we draw its boundaries. No additional measurement will resolve it. No scientist will ever find a belief, a self, or an iota of free will under a microscope. That's the domain of philosophy.
The free will debate has exactly this structure. Sapolsky and compatibilists agree on the neuroscience. They disagree about whether what the brain does counts as "free will”. Does "free will" require freedom from the laws of physics? Or does it mean the ability to act according to one's desires and reasons, even if those are physically caused? These are questions about how to understand agency, responsibility, and explanation in light of the science. They’re not questions that brain scans can settle.
Sapolsky writes as if piling up scientific facts settles the question. It doesn't. We still have to think carefully about which concepts have earned their keep and which haven't. We have to think about how we interpret the human experience in light of the data. And he simply refuses to consider such questions.
Conclusion
I worry this review has made the book seem worse than it is. There's genuinely interesting neuroscience in it. If you're skeptical of determinism, this is a good book to read and the science is mostly[2]solid and often fascinating.
I should also note that Sapolsky and I are pushing in the same direction on the question of retributive punishment, which is arguably what matters most. He says:
I'm with him on this point. You don't need to deny free will to reject retribution, but if that's where his argument leads people, I'll take it.
I do wish he had actually engaged with compatibilism, the position he claimed to take on. The book promised such, yet delivered an attack on an incoherent strawman. Read it for the neuroscience. Just know that the confrontation with compatibilism he promises never quite arrives.
Appendix
You’ve got the idea by now. But if you’d like one more example of how he’s not talking about compatibilist free:
I can’t speak to what other people believe, but he’s simply not talking about compatibilists here. He might think he is, but he’s not.
By “this version” he’s referring to the compatibilists view that “while the world is deterministic, there is still free will, and thus holding people morally responsible for their actions is just”. ↩︎
There is a noticeable step-down in quality when he gets to science outside his field though. For example, he approvingly cites the famous Israeli “hungry judges” study:
A separate study followed up and interviewed people from the Israeli Prison Service and learned that “case ordering is not random”. They found that groups of cases were done in a single session, and “within each session, unrepresented prisoners usually go last and are less likely to be granted parole than prisoners with attorneys.”
I can hear the angel with PRCTSD (post-replication crisis traumatic stress disorder) on my shoulder yelling, “Confounders! Have you ensured there are absolutely NO confounders?” The effect size is simply too large for us not to be suspicious. The study sounds shocking, but is completely meaningless if there’s a single confounding factor. The implicit correlation -> causation connection relies on the hidden assumption that the order that cases reach a judge is random. I’ve talked about this paper before (clearly he’s not a blog reader—big mistake imho) where I said:
Since then, the study has also failed to replicate in other (better-controlled) contexts. See Hungry Professors? Decision Biases Are Less Widespread than Previously Thought by Bergonzoli et al.