This is a linkpost for https://www.darioamodei.com/post/the-urgency-of-interpretability
haha: agreed :)
my rage there was around a different level/kind of fakery from anthropic, but i see now how this could connect-with/be part of a broader pattern that i wasn't aware of. remaining quibbles aside, i was wrong; this would be sufficient context/justification for using "propaganda".
I see how it could potentially be the same pattern as people claiming ey hasn't talked enough about his position; to the person you disagree with, you will never have explained enough. but yeah i doubt any of the labs have
Dario Amodei posted a new essay titled "The Urgency of Interpretability" a couple days ago.
Some excerpts I think are worth highlighting:
One might be forgiven for forgetting about Bing Sydney as an obvious example of "power-seeking" AI behavior, given how long ago that was, but lying? Given the very recent releases of Sonnet 3.7 and OpenAI's o3, and their much-remarked-upon propensity for reward hacking and lying to users in self-aware ways, I think we are well past the point where we can credibly claim to not have seen "real-world scenarios of deception". I could try to imagine ways to make those sentences sound more reasonable, but I don't believe I'm omitting relevant context for how readers should understand them.
Interesting to note that Dario feels comfortable bringing up AI welfare concerns.
My understanding is that mech interp techniques didn't provide any obvious advantages over other techniques in that experiment, and SAEs underperform much simpler & cheaper techniques, to the point where GDM is explicitly deprioritizing them as a research direction.
The timelines seem aggressive to me, but I think it's good to have the last sentence spelled out.
Some people predicted that interpretability would be dual-use for capabilities (and that this was a downside that had to be accounted for). I think I was somewhat skeptical at the time, mostly because I didn't expect to see traction on interpretability techniques that were good enough to move the needle very much compared to more direct capabilities research, but to the extent that you trust Dario's research taste this might be an update.
I don't want to sound too down on the essay; I think it's much better than the last one in a bunch of ways, not the least of which is that it directly acknowledges misalignment concerns (though still shies away from mentioning x-risk). There's also an interesting endorsement of a "conditional pause" (framed differently).
I recommend reading the essay in full.
Copied footnote: "You can of course try to detect these risks by simply interacting with the models, and we do this in practice. But because deceit is precisely the behavior we’re trying to find, external behavior is not reliable. It’s a bit like trying to determine if someone is a terrorist by asking them if they are a terrorist—not necessarily useless, and you can learn things by how they answer and what they say, but very obviously unreliable."
Copied footnote: "I’ll probably describe this in more detail in a future essay, but there are a lot of experiments (many of which were done by Anthropic) showing that models can lie or deceive under certain circumstances when their training is guided in a somewhat artificial way. There is also evidence of real-world behavior that looks vaguely like “cheating on the test”, though it’s more degenerate than it is dangerous or harmful. What there isn’t is evidence of dangerous behaviors emerging in a more naturalistic way, or of a general tendency or general intent to lie and deceive for the purposes of gaining power over the world. It is the latter point where seeing inside the models could help a lot."