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Hey, everyone! Pretty new here and first time posting.

I have some questions regarding two odd scenarios. Let's assume there is no AI takeover to the Yudkowsky-nth degree and that AGI and ASI goes just fine. (Yes, that's are already a very big ask).

Scenario 1: Hyper-Realistic Humanoid Robots

Let's say AGI helps us get technology that allows for the creation of humanoid robots that are visually indistinguishable from real humans. While the human form is suboptimal for a lot of tasks, I'd imagine that people still want them for a number of reasons. If there's significant market demand for such robots:

Would each robot face need to be unique from existing humans to avoid infringing on the likeness rights of existing humans?
Are celebrity faces or the faces of public figures protected in a way that would prevent their replication in robotic form?
How might current copyright law, which typically applies to creative works, extend to the realm of robotics and AI?

Scenario 2: Full-Dive Virtual Reality Simulations

Now, let's say further in the future, ASI helps us create full-dive virtual reality technology, allowing users to experience Matrix-level realistic simulations:

If someone wants to simulate living in present-day Beverly Hills, complete with celebrity encounters, what are the legal implications of including accurate representations of these public figures?
In a more personal use case, if an individual wishes to re-experience their childhood or high school years in VR, would they legally need permission from every person who was part of their life to include them in the simulation?
How might we balance the right to one's own memories and experiences with the privacy and likeness rights of others?

Curious to learn about everyone's thoughts on the matter.

TL;DR I think increasing the fidelity of partial reconstructions of people is orthogonal to legality around the distribution of such reconstructions, so while your scenario describes an enhancement of fidelity, there would be no new legal implications.
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Scenario 1: Hyper-realistic Humanoid robots
CMIIW, I would resummarise your question as 'how do we prevent people from being cloned?'
Answer: A person is not merely their appearance + personality; but also their place-in-the-world. For example, if you duplicated Chris Hemsworth but changed his name and poppe... (read more)

7gilch2y

The questions seem underspecified. You're haven't nailed down a single world, and different worlds could have different answers. Many of the laws of today no longer make sense in worlds like you're describing. They may be ignored and forgotten or updated after some time. If we have the technology to enhance human memory for perfect recall, does that violate copyright, since you're recording everything? Arguably, it's fair use to remember your own life. Sharing that with others gets murkier. Also, copyright was originally intended to incentivize creation. Do we still need that incentive when AI becomes more creative than we are? I think not. You can already find celebrity deepfakes online, depicting them in situations they probably wouldn't approve of. I imagine the robot question has similar answers. We haven't worked that out yet, but there seem to be legal trends towards banning it, but without enough teeth to actually stop it. I think culture can adapt to the situation just fine even without a ban, but it could take some time.

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