Simulacrum Levels

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Some more descriptions of the four levels:

By Strawperson:

  • Level 1: “There’s a lion across the river.” = There’s a lion across the river.
  • Level 2: “There’s a lion across the river.” = I don’t want to go (or have other people go) across the river.
  • Level 3: “There’s a lion across the river.” = I’m with the popular kids who are too cool to go across the river.
  • Level 4: “There’s a lion across the river.” = A firm stance against trans-river expansionism focus grouped well with undecided voters in my constituency.

By Zvi:

  • Level 1: Symbols describe reality.
  • Level 2: Symbols pretend to describe reality.
  • Level 3: Symbols pretend to pretend to describe reality.
  • Level 4: Symbols need not pretend to describe reality.

A concrete example of the above from Michael Vassar:

  • Level 1: A court reflects justice.
  • Level 2: A corrupt judge distorts justice.
  • Level 3: A Soviet show trial conceals the absence of real Soviet courts.
  • Level 4: A trial by ordeal or trial by combat lacks and denies the concept of justice entirely


Simulacrum Levels are a framework for analyzing different motivations people can have for making statements.

Simulacrum Level 1: Attempt to describe the world accurately.

Simulacrum Level 2: Choose what to say based on what your statement will cause other people to do or believe.

Simulacrum Level 3: Say things that signal membership to your ingroup.

Simulacrum Level 4: Choose which group to signal membership to based on what the benefit would be for you.