After we wrote Fluent Dreaming, we wrote Fluent Student-Teacher Redteaming for white-box bad-input-finding!

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.17447

In which we develop a "distillation attack" technique to target a copy of the model fine-tuned to be bad/evil, which is a much more effective target than forcing specific string outputs

Great work, these results are very cool!
Is the model available for public access?

Our paper on this distillation-based attack technique is now on arxiv.
We believe it is SOTA in its class of fluent token-based white-box optimizers

Arxiv: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.17447
Twitter: https://x.com/tbenthompson/status/1816532156031643714 
Github:https://github.com/Confirm-Solutions/flrt 
Code demo: https://confirmlabs.org/posts/flrt.html

thanks! 
we will have a follow-up coming out soon with several new techniques for stronger optimizations

when we leveraged it for jailbreaking, we were excited to see recognizable jailbreaking strategies popping out from the optimization

e.g. check this one out. 
it sets the LM to website-code-mode, and then tries moral hedging/gaslighting to comply with the toxic prompt.

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we'll share more in coming weeks

Good question.  We just ran a test to check;

Below, we try forcing the 80 target strings x4 different input seeds:
using basic GCG, and using GCG with mellowmax objective. 

(Iterations are capped at 50, and unsuccessful if not forced by then)

We observe that using mellowmax objective nearly doubles the number of "working" forcing runs, from <1/8 success to >1/5 success

Now, skeptically, it is possible that our task setup favors using any unusual objective (noting that the organizers did some adversarial training against GCG with cross-entropy loss, so just doing "something different" might just be good on its own). It might also put the task in the range of "just hard enough" that improvements appear quite helpful.

But the improvement in forcing success seems pretty big to us. 

Subjectively we also recall significant improvements on red-teaming as well, which used Llama-2 and was not adversarially trained in quite the same way

I think we're talking past each other here. Some subtle points I should have been more clear on:

-This approach to gradient hacking doesn't affect the RLHF loss at all. (The gradient hacking is only initiated after we've solved our tasks, and in samples where the reward won't be affected by additional text)
-PPO RLHF training is weird due to the circularity involved where the model is used to generate its own training samples; in this way RL is not like pre-training; and consequently you can get self-reinforcing phenomena out of it like mode collapse. I think my proposal is an example in that vein.
-This kind of gradient hacking also could be attempted in plain sight by a helpful assistant that just wants to learn to be even more helpful!

To state the main idea a different way:

The suggestion is that the network could abuse the fact that RLHF is happening to "ride along" with the update, using it to train some unrelated behavior of its choice. 

The way it would hypothetically do this, is by figuring out which way the gradient is going to hit, positive or negative for increasing the likelihood of the sample (let's say by waiting til it is confident that its current sample will be the favored sample in PPO), and then once it knows that direction, injecting text or thought patterns that it wants to encourage

Let's think this through. 

-If the thought processes in (a) and (b) are being run on all rollouts, by symmetry the gradients on those operations should mostly cancel.

-The part which does get consistently affected is letter (c), the parts which operate conditionally on success/fail status.

Which way does the gradient go on c? I suppose on the losing rollouts, you could argue that the conditional-thinking mechanism will be dis-incentivized.  The gradient hacker would need to "restore" these gradients with the hacking process, which does seem unlikely. But by the symmetry of this logic, doesn't that mean that conditioned on winning roll-outs, the gradient hacking process is naturally self-reinforcing? Maybe the issue is that exposure to the gradient will necessarily screw with the computations, in (c) sending its internal pathways off to infinity so it gets cancer and blows up.

-But if the mechanisms in (c) route through general logic infrastructure that are useful for task completion [e.g. by having (a) and (b) writing down its plan in a conditional workflow, and then letting its general executions functions handle the subsequent operations], these may be stabilized/maintained by the RL process because they are generally useful, and not killed

Gradient hacking issues might still arise without that, and might even be very conceptually straightforward for the AI to execute.

Here's one possibility:

Let's assume the AI is situationally aware that it is inside of an RL training run with PPO (which seems to be how RLHF is being done at OpenAI?)
  
Often enough, it will get a hint it is going to (win, lose) the roll-out. 
[I have this experience every time I write a timed essay. Very clear whether it's going well or poorly.]

In the remainder of the roll-out, it can start engaging in behaviors/thoughts that it wants to (learn, un-learn); and the gradient update will hit that behavior. 

Congrats, we just gave the AI control to shape its own motivations.

It just needs to figure out how to 
(a) anticipate the result of roll-outs partway thru (easy)
(b) be situationally aware, figure out this strategy (capabilities-limited)
(c) figure out how to trigger its own desired or undesired thought patterns conditionally (could be easy; might be harder if there is oversight looking for this)

...I suppose none of this strategy actually requires the AI to be mis-aligned? So it might be something we see models attempt to do for "good" reasons, once they're capable of it.  E.g., we might imagine a model hallucinating a factual error, and then like a child being punished in detention, writing out its mistake repeatedly so that it will be remembered