I love them and have been around since the start, decided to not include them because they don't point in the outreach direction.
We found them but had the impression they're not super joinable.
More separate than e.g. PauseAI Germany? My assumption was that anyone would find their respective local chapters over the general PauseAI page.
Huh, interesting. We seem to understand different things under the term "policy" there. Going by the titles alone, I'd only have counted lines 13, 18-20 as "yes" and 33 as "maybe". So 12-15%. 9-13% if I exclude this post, which has been made after observing the ratio.
Still curious what percentage they make up among total submissions, not only under the AI tag.
Huh, that's a potentially significant update for me. Two questions:
1. Can you give me a source for the claim that making the models incapable of deception seems likely to work? I managed to miss that so far.
2. What do you make of Gradual Disempowerment? Seems to imply that even successful technical alignment might lead to doom.
Good catch! My implicit question was about what ends up on the frontpage, i.e. some mix of version 1 and 3. A friend of mine answered the sociological side of that question to my satisfaction: Many of the most competent people already pivoted to governance/outreach. But they don't have much use for in-group signalling, so they have quantitatively much less posts on the frontpage than others.
On a more general note, it's certainly possible that I vastly overestimate how well the median LessWronger will be at presenting the case for halting AI progress to non-rationalists.
After all, I've kept up considerable involvement with my normie family and non-rationalist communities over the past years and put a bunch of skill points into bridging the worlds. To the point that by now, I find it easier to navigate leftist than rationalist spaces despite my more gray tribe politics - because I know the local norms from the olden days, and expect leftists to be more fluent at guess culture so I don't need to verbalize so many things. In addition, I'm unusually agnostic on the more controversial LW pet topics like transhumanism compared to others here.
At the same time, having constructive conversations with normies is a learnable skill. I suspect that many LWers have about as much learned helplessness around that as I had two or three years ago. I admit that it might make sense for super technical people to stay in their lane and just keep building on their existing skill trees. Still, I suspect that for more rationalists than are currently doing it, investing more skill points into being normie-compatible and helping with Control AI-style outreach might be a high-leverage thing to do.
So you think the alignment problem is solvable within the time we appear to have left? I'm very sceptical about that, and that makes me increasingly prone to believe that CEV, at this point in history, genuinely is not a relevant question. Which appears to be a position a number of people in PauseAI hold.
Makes sense! My current emerging policy is to keep going out, but to avoid being in closed rooms for less than high ev interactions. Plus prioritizing applying to remote over in-person jobs.
Given the large leaps with which AGI and various other existential risks come closer, being extremely covid cautious seems not indicated though. Gotta see the world while it still stands.
Noticing confusion: My lineage teaches the Hara as being two inches below the navel in the body, just like TCM's lower Dantian.
Makes sense to me: Practices actuall full-belly breath rather than breathing into the upper belly but keeping the lower belly tight as you'd do in pilates.