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by PlaidX
20th Oct 2009
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[-]Nick_Novitski16y20

First: Haha, voted up for humor.

But if I can be dour for a moment: presume we live in a universe where it's not self-explanatory. What is the cautionary tale we can extract from this? That time spent thinking about optimizing happiness isn't time spent experiencing it?

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[-]Johnicholas16y00

Voted down for brevity and lack of content. I believe the community aesthetic is that we strive for multi-paragraph top-level posts, rather than single links or slashdot-style paragraphs.

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[-]Cyan16y80

That wasn't the original idea.

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[-]Johnicholas16y00

I have no objection to two categories - top-level posts which are candidates for being promoted, and those that might be amusing if you're bored.

However, I'd prefer that the latter not win karma.

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[-]Vladimir_Nesov16y20

How zero-sum of you.

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[-]Vladimir_Nesov16y00

No, but that's not an argument: top-level planning sometimes gets things horribly wrong.

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[-]Cyan16y30

You're right -- it's not an argument. It's a historical observation. If there is an implied conclusion in there, my intent was that it be something like, "It's a little unfair to vote something down on aesthetic grounds when the original (and still AFAIK most explicit and authoritative) statement on the community aesthetic allowed such posts".

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[-]Vladimir_Nesov16y10

Okay, this reveals my misconception of your comment, but here again I disagree for pretty much the same reason and with the same reply: aesthetic judgment is very important (as in: it's an aspect of preference, and beware trivial inconveniences). It's only something to discard if opinions differ so wildly as to make the negotiations worse than dropping the matter.

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[-]Cyan16y10

My comment was addressed only to what the community aesthetic is (was?), and not what it ought to be. I deliberately phrased the comment in the past tense to allow for a response like "well, maybe we should change that standard".

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[-]Vladimir_Nesov16y10

The comment you linked to talks exactly about what the community behavior should be, one person's opinion, or an observation about a different community's aesthetics.

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[-][anonymous]16y00

I don't see how a post written by a single author that didn't reflect the actual practice or survey of opinion can serve that purpose.

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[-]Douglas_Knight16y00

It's only something to discard if opinions differ so wildly as to make the negotiations worse than dropping the matter.

But Johnicholas didn't negotiate, but instead made claims about a consensus aesthetic. Cyan contradicted this false statement.

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[-]thomblake16y10

No, but that's not an argument

I disagree. It had a premise and an implied conclusion - it was clearly an argument.

If you meant that it's not a good argument, you did not provide a very good argument for why that would be the case. I could just as well argue that you should not eat bananas, since bananas sometimes contain poison and explosives.

How often does top-level planning get things horribly wrong, and how do the alternatives fare?

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[-]Vladimir_Nesov16y20

Hm, I wrote that under an assumption that everyone already knew the fact stated in the comment, since it was repeated a number of times before, so the comment could only be an appeal to availability of whatever weight the bare fact of there being a post like that has.

Incidentally, formalism has a way of losing track of the original intent, which is at odds with the intent of signaling ability to handle rigor.

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[-][anonymous]16y00

It's not an argument about ought, but it is an argument about is. Johnicholas did not merely make a claim about his preferences, but asserted their universality. It's fine for him to try to change the aesthetic, but I think he should be shot down if he tries to change it by making false claims.

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[-][anonymous]16y00

Oh my! Somebody save us from the brevity! From the about page: "We suggest submitting links with a short description."

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Lore Sjöberg's Life-hacking FAQK

Pretty self-explanatory. Also available as a podcast.