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Deconditioning Aversion to Dislike

Hence "a risk, not necessarily a failure". If the prior says that a systematic error is in place, and there is no evidence to the contrary, you expect the systematic error. But it's an expectation, not precise knowledge, it might well be the case that there is no systematic error.

Furthermore, ensuring that there is no systematic error doesn't require this fact to become externally verifiable. So an operationalization is not necessary to solve the problem, even if it's necessary to demonstrate that the problem is solved. It's also far from sufficient, with vaguely defined topics such as this deliberation easily turns into demagoguery, misleading with words instead of using them to build a more robust and detailed understanding. So it's more of a side note than the core of a plan.

Deconditioning Aversion to Dislike

Careful reasoning (precision) helps with calibration, but is not synonymous with it. Systematic error is about calibration, not precision, so demanding that it's to be solved through improvement of precision is similar to a demand for a particular argument, risking rejection of correct solutions outside the scope of what's demanded. That is, if calibration can be ensured without precision, your demand won't be met, yet the problem would be solved. Hence my objection to the demand.

Deconditioning Aversion to Dislike

without a fair operationalization

It's a risk, but not necessarily a failure. It might be enough to seek operationalization in suspicious cases, not in general.

The True Face of the Enemy

a case against status quo is incomplete without the case for an alternative

"A case against status quo" is ambiguous in this context. The first step to fixing a problem is realizing that you have one. A formulation of a problem is a perfectly adequate thing on its own, it lets you understand the problem better. It's not incomplete as a tool for understanding a problem.

The True Face of the Enemy

Lack of better plans should quiet the urge to immediately tear down the status quo, shouldn't influence moral judgement of it.

What to do if you can't form any habits whatsoever?

I was addressing the title. There are things that can be done, I named one of them (by the general strategy of making progress on helplessly difficult problems through finding similar but easier problems that it's possible to work on). It doesn't encompass everything, and likely doesn't straightforwardly help with any issue you might still be having. I suspect that if "procedures" include cognitive habits and specific training of aspects of activities that usually get no deliberative attention, it might still be useful. Probably not for brushing teeth.

What to do if you can't form any habits whatsoever?

A part of forming a habit is becoming familiar with the procedure. Consistently executing the procedure is a separate aspect. In this framing, it should be possible, and being familiar with useful procedures is useful, it makes them more available and cheaper to execute.

What confusions do people have about simulacrum levels?

Level 3 is identity, masking the absence of justification. Level 4 masks the absence of identity.

Matt Goldenberg's Short Form Feed

My takeaway was that awareness of all levels is necessary if you want to reliably remain on level 1 (make sure that you don't trigger responses for levels 2-4 by crafting statements that have no salient interpretations at levels 2-4). So both the problem and the solution involve reading statements at multiple levels.

(The innovation is in how this heuristic is more principled/general than things like "don't talk about politics or religion". You might even manage to talk about politics and religion without triggering levels 2-4.)

Matt Goldenberg's Short Form Feed

The simulacra levels are not mutually exclusive, a given statement should be interpreted at all four levels simultaneously:

  • Level 1 (facts): What does the statement claim about the world?
  • Level 2 (deception): What actions does belief in the statement's truth incite?
  • Level 3 (identity): Which groups does uttering this statement serve as evidence for belonging to?
  • Level 4 (consequences): What goals does uttering this statement serve?
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