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Yell culture.

We've seen ask/guess/tell. I propose the yell culture: Yell whenever you dislike anything. I yell at you when I don't like what you did. If you're dissatisfied with that, yell back to me. It's the same as Tell culture, but my variant tries to deliver the frustration forward. If I'm frustrated, I expect the listener to share my frustration, and bear the same happiness and unhappiness. I argue that this reinforces the team into a functional unit where one could die for one another.

Some colleagues discouraged me from doing this, and I want to examine more about it.

2Richard_Kennaway3mo

Heinlein remarked that "the wisdom of the ages" usually sounds like just being too tired. So in case it sounds like I'm just too tired, here's some inspiration in the opposite direction, from Ratavia Rock Project. SCREAM UNTIL DAWN THIS WORLD WILL HEAR ME

3Richard_Kennaway3mo

The track record of such extremism is poor. I was going to say it would take too much time to search out people’s reports of mental breakdowns, suicides, and other ways of going off the deep end, but conveniently a new one has appeared today. You can also search LW for “Ziz” and “Ziz(z)ians”. These are by no means the only ones. If you read further in my Insanity Wolf page, I hope you will find things to disagree with, such as strangling all the evil people with each others’ intestines, and maximising happiness by killing everyone. The former was inspired by a remark of Voltaire, and the latter by those utilitarians who believe, literally, that life is suffering and that it would be better for everyone never to have been born. But if I suppose your assent limited to absolutist positive utilitarianism á la EA and Peter Singer, there is a substantial issue there that has been much discussed by philosophers without any resolution. Is there supererogation? A supererogatory act is one that it is praiseworthy to do, but which is not required. It is action over and above the call of duty. Is there any such thing? Peter Singer and some EAs say no. Supererogation is a contradiction in terms. The good that you can do is the good that you must do. At every moment you must be doing the best thing you possibly can. All the obvious objections are folded into the basic injunction. You don’t know the best thing? Then the best thing is to find out. You’ll burn out? Then take some R&R, but only as much as needed to carry on the Work. It’s an impossible standard? Yes, but it’s the right standard, you just don’t want to because it’s hard. But—? Denied. You must make of yourself a slave to the good. “O feet happily fettered on the road to salvation!” While you are sleeping, the world is burning! You cannot ascend the torrent of your sins! Nothing for yourself, everything for the cause! Jam tomorrow? Jam never! Your life must be a desert! You are nothing, the cause is everything! Smi

Thank you for this reply. I can see your point clearer. Your premise is the absurdity of the extremity, right? I accept this opinion and I'll keep it in the back of my head (and update my beliefs accordingly). I think my previous heuristic is that "if something is true then it must be true even in corner cases". For example, even number plus even number makes even. When regular situation teaches 2+4=6 and 0+2=2, my "taking to the extreme" means testing the boundary of this claim: how about 0+1000000? How about -2+2? How about -99998+46464? They are all sti... (read more)