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Then I cold emailed supervisors for around two years until a research group at a university was willing to spare me some time to teach me about a field and have me help out.
Did you email supervisors in the areas you were publishing in? How often did you email them? Why'd it take so long for them to accept free high-skilled labour?
Did you email supervisors in the areas you were publishing in?
No. But even if I did, my one publication that I somehow managed to do on my own was trash. So I wouldn't put much weight on that.
How often did you email them?
I probably tried to email a new person every couple of weeks. The first person that seriously responded is the person I am working with now!
Why'd it take so long for them to accept free high-skilled labour?
I think taking on part time students is really time consuming. A lot of institutions flat out don't do it. And providing them with resources (like compute time on a HPC in my case) is expensive and bureaucratic. I also included my day job in my CV, so they could've just flat-out not have believed that I'd commit, and be wasting their time.
That makes sense. If you had to re-do the whole process from scratch, what would you do differently this time?
I would just spend more time emailing potential supervisors, with a higher frequency. There doesn't really seem to be a minimum threshold level that I needed to hit, other than finishing my master's
Interesting post! I’ve wondered the same thing before.
I’m doing a much more half-arsed version, as a casual quantum foundations enjoyer alongside a technical writing job, and also getting endlessly distracted by other things I find interesting, so my output is not impressive. But it’s a pretty fun hobby and I’m surprised more people don’t try this!
I'd agree with you, because I'm a full-time student, but I'm doing research part-time in practice because I'm losing half my time to working as a TA to pay my rent. Part of me wonders if I could find a real job and slow-roll the PhD.
What about just not pursuing a PhD and instead doing what OP did? With the PhD you potentially lose #1 in
I actually think that you can get great results doing research as a hobby because
- it gives you loads of slack, which is freedom to do things without constraints. In this context, I think slack is valuable because it allows you to research things outside of the publishing mainstream.
- and less pressure.
I think these two things are crucial for success. The slack allows you to look at risky and niche ideas are more likely to yield better research rewards if they are true, since surprising results will trigger further questions.
Also, since you are more likely to do better at topics you enjoy, getting money from a day job allows you to actually purse your interests or deviate from your supervisor’s wishes. Conversely, it also allows you to give up when you’re not enjoying something.
which is where much of the impact comes from, especially if you subscribe to a multiplicative view of impact.
This is a crosspost from https://chillphysicsenjoyer.substack.com/p/pursuing-physics-research-part-time.
Disclaimer - I’m a part-time research associate doing biophysics with a uni research group in the UK. But I have a day job in an unrelated field that pays the bills.
Whilst I’ve read many personal accounts of research from full-time research students in the academic system, I haven’t heard as much from those pursuing research part-time - independently or otherwise.
I’ve always found this weird. Out of the set of people who are really interested in stuff, most people can’t, or don’t want, to go into academia full time. There are loads of valid reasons - financial, skill or geographical constraints. And so, doing unpaid research on the weekends seems like the only way for this kind of person to sate their interests meaningfully. And so I wonder why I haven’t read as much stuff by more people doing this kind of thing.
So as someone doing research part time alongside their day job, I wanted to reflect a bit on my priors about likelihood of success, and about trying to do two things well. The main thing that I wanted to argue is that one's effectiveness doing research part-time is probably a lot higher than the time adjusted effectiveness of a comparable researcher. Specifically, I think there are loads of arguments on why its a lot larger than just (effectiveness of a comparable researcher) * (part time hours / full time hours). And it's more fun!
For the past year, I’ve worked in finance whilst doing biophysics research part-time at a university. I work on spectroscopy.
It took me around four years to get in the place where I could comfortably hold a job in finance and also find a supervisor. After I graduated I worked for big corporations for several years. It got to a point until I could manage my working hours so that I could leave reliably around 5pm, giving a few hours in the day left to work on science. Whilst I was doing this, I published about physics, and continued to study it independently from textbooks. Then I cold emailed supervisors for around two years until a research group at a university was willing to spare me some time to teach me about a field and have me help out.
First the obvious - I think that part-time scientific research could be a great setup for working people who are still interested in science, but don’t want the downsides of academia and vice versa. In terms of downsides, academia doesn’t give you as much money in white-collar type jobs (think tech, finance, consulting) on average, in comparatively, the problems in industry jobs can be more dull aesthetically. By doing both, you are hedging against the the non-naturalness of one field versus the material rewards of the other.
But here’s the novel part. I used to think that a part-timer working perhaps 20% of the time a full timer spends, would only be 20% as effective. But actually, I’m willing to argue that this isn’t true and there probably is a lot of ‘boost’ that jacks up their effectiveness much higher - my market for this is maybe (30%/90%). Wide range I know. But bear with me!
Here are the boosts. I actually think that you can get great results doing research as a hobby because
I think these two things are crucial for success. The slack allows you to look at risky and niche ideas are more likely to yield better research rewards if they are true, since surprising results will trigger further questions.
Also, since you are more likely to do better at topics you enjoy, getting money from a day job allows you to actually purse your interests or deviate from your supervisor’s wishes. Conversely, it also allows you to give up when you’re not enjoying something.
On pressure, Richard Feynman has anecdotally written that the pressure to do great work in a formal academic system was stifling, and it was the freedom to play with physics that really lead to results. When you’re working a day job, for the most part, you’re not pressured on funding. Considering that PhD stipends in the UK are well below median income, you’re probably more comfortable, are slightly happier because you’re not worried about money if you’re working a day job.
Then there’s the fact that before the 1900s, public science funding wasn’t even a thing at all, and a bunch of great science was basically just done by amateur enthusiasts like Darwin. Einstein part-timed it as well. I think this is summarised in a great comment by Anna Salomon on a LW post that was similar in sprit to this one
‘Maybe. But a person following up on threads in their leisure time, and letting the threads slowly congeal until they turn out to turn into a hobby, is usually letting their interests lead them initially without worrying too much about "whether it's going anywhere," whereas when people try to "found" something they're often trying to make it big, trying to make it something that will be scalable and defensible. I like that this post is giving credit to the first process, which IMO has been historically pretty useful pretty often. I'd also point to the old tradition of "gentlemen scientists" back before the era of publicly funded science, who performed very well per capita; I would guess that high performance was at least partly because there was more low-hanging fruit back then, but my personal guess is that that wasn't the only cause. ‘
Still main drawback is that you get less time, which feels like a huge disadvantage. But is this really? Sometimes I wonder. Considering that most of modern quantum physics was discovered in a 6 month timespan by scientists mostly under the age of twenty five, I doubt that time is really a constraint in doing great research. Given that research is also mostly just pot shots, and assuming that the likelihood of discovering something cool is very small, I would think that the incremental probability of finding something cool changes from 0.001% to 0.1%. But that’s still really small in both cases! So what’s the difference?
I have worried a lot that this setup is slightly suboptimal in terms of ‘being exceptional at something’. But for one - I think being exceptional is overrated. And even if you do want to go down that road, I actually think this is the best way to get good at things if you are the type to get bored easily.
Whilst I agree that focusing on ‘one thing at a time’ (like the career you are in, or the sport you play) is generally a great strategy for results - I do think that the success of this strategy really hinges on the type of person you are. And I think people should be optimising conditional on who they are, not on what the average person needs.
Mathematically, I see a great argument for trying to not focus on one thing if you’re the type that gets bored easily. If the way to get good at something is to maximise the total hours doing it across your whole lifespan, then you want to have a strategy that lets you achieve that no matter how ugly it might look. So focusing a lot in the beginning might be a bad strategy, since you probably will burn out in a short time. Where as if you did slightly less everyday but kept at it for longer, then you are much more likely to rack up a lot more hours cumulatively doing that activity.
As for the doubts, I’ve often thought that it was suboptimal for me to split my time in two - hence the quote at the top of this page. As time has past though, I’ve started to doubt this. Provided you’re the type of person to get bored easily, and are willing to do both your work and research for a long period of time, you might up in a better spot long term!
This is all well and good, provided if it’s possible for someone to get a research job to do part time, and have enough spare time from their day job to have a solid go. But it kind of took a lot out of me to achieve that.