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by Orioth
29th Mar 2025
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[-]Orioth6mo76

Ozy Brennan, as quoted by Scott Alexander, as (scripted? transcribed? I'm not quite sure) by Ozy Brennan, says that 

[...] Ricardo’s Law Of Comparative Advantage was one of the most inspirational things he’d ever read. This is an economic theorem which says that under ideal frictionless capitalism, even if you’re the worst person in the world at everything, you can do the thing you’re relatively least worst at, trade with other people, and be guaranteed to make nonzero money. Maybe not very much money, but nonzero. It will mean that your actions have made other people nonzero better off, and they are nonzero grateful to you.

I do not find this inspiring! Under ideal frictionless capitalism, if you’re the worst person in the world at everything, you can make nonzero money, but most likely less then the cost of living, so the most likely outcome is that you die in abject poverty, having in the meantime done some things that made other people nonzero better off, and which might - or might not - outweigh any costly screw ups you may have made or suffering you may have undergone in the process.

And that's under ideal frictionless capitalism! In the real world this can and does sometimes happen even to people who are pretty good at some things!

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[-]Orioth4mo*30

What do the Rats Sing?

(A list of songs compiled from impromptu group singing sessions at several rationalist-adjacent events. Anything where the program was decided in advance is excluded from this list. This is all done from memory of events I happened to be at, and I'm more likely to remember songs I'm familiar with.)

Group singing standards

  • Country Roads (x3)
  • Hallelujah (x2)
  • Wellerman (x2)
  • Wagon Wheel
  • Battle Hymn of the Republic
  • Leave Her, Johnny

Songs which were written for Secular Solstice

  • Bitter Wind Blown
  • When I Die
  • A Little Echo
  • For the Longest Term
  • Our Favorite Things (lyrics, sheet music)

(and see the 'Filk and filk-adjacent' and 'Uncategorized' sections, which include some that weren't written for Solstice but are oft sung at it)

Filk and filk-adjacent

  • Hymn to the Breaking Strain
  • Time Wrote the Rocks (x2)
  • Lucifer
  • Landsailor
  • Somebody Will
  • HaMephorash (lyrics, chords)
  • What's it Like to Be a Bat (lyrics nowhere I can find on the internet, chords based on I Am My Own Grandpa)
  • Bold Orion

Bob Dylan

  • Blowin' in the Wind
  • Make You Feel My Love
  • Knockin' on Heaven's Door
  • We went through the whole album Blood on the Tracks that one time:
    • Tangled Up in Blue
    • Simple Twist of Fate
    • You're a Big Girl Now
    • Idiot Wind
    • You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go (x2)
    • Meet Me in the Morning
    • Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts
    • If You See Her, Say Hello
    • Shelter from the Storm
    • Buckets of Rain

The Beatles

  • Hey Jude (x2)
  • Here Comes the Sun (x2)
  • Revolution
  • With a Little Help From My Friends
  • Let It Be
  • A Hard Day's Night
  • All You Need is Love
  • Imagine (Yes, this is John Lennon solo, but I'm putting it in the Beatles section since he was a Beatle, if not at the time he wrote it.)

Some Manifest Attendees Prefer Modern Pop Music

  • Shape of You (x2)
  • Complicated
  • Take Me to Church
  • Just the Way You Are
  • Take On Me
  • Believer

Uncategorized

  • The Mary Ellen Carter (x3)
  • We Will All Go Together When We Go (x2)
  • American Pie (x2)
  • The Mary Ellen Spider
  • (If You Ain't Got That) Do Re Mi
  • Barrett's Privateers
  • Unison in Harmony
  • The Water is Wide
  • I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)
  • Sons and Daughters
  • Riptide
  • Viva la Vida
  • My Way
  • At the Bottom of Everything
  • Aeroplane Over the Sea
  • One
  • Fly Me To The Moon
  • Can You Feel the Love Tonight
  • Have You Ever Seen the Rain?
  • Proud Mary
  • Sweet Caroline
  • Hotel California
  • Wonderwall
  • Call Me Maybe
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[-]Orioth1mo10

Made some updates to this:

  • added songs I remembered folks singing during Less Online and Manifest this year
  • tinkered with the categorization
  • added links to chords (whatever was the first search result, mostly; I don't know if there are better or worse chord websites out there) and links to lyrics when lyrics weren't given on the webpage with the chords
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[-]Orioth4mo1-7

So, in general not having your values changed is an Omohundro goal, right? But would I suggest that if you you change your utility function[1] from U(w) = weightedSumSapientSatisfaction(w) + personalHappiness(w) + someIdiosyncraticPreferences(w) or whatever it is, to U(w) = weightedSumSapientSatisfaction(w) + personalHappiness(w) + someIdiosyncraticPreferences(w) + 5000, all your choices that involve explicit expected utility comparisons will come out the same as before, but you'll be happier.

  1. ^

    There are a lot of issues with utility functions as a framing for describing actual human motivations, but bear with me.

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