Does anyone have good tactics for not believing in your own bullshit and consequentially getting lost in the sauce?

Edit: To clarify (this isn't a post about keeping your worldview clear from other sources, this is a post asking for tactics about keeping your worldview clear from getting lost in your own bullshit. For example: you lie (and believe it) 6 times a day to a co-worker, about something. What tactics can be used to keep yourself from getting lost in that lie over time (lost in your own bullshit)?

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ryan_b

Mar 02, 2023

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My core practice is remembering many times I was wrong. My experience was that this is not natural, which is a realization I backed into when trying to identify when I learned certain things. Without dedicated attention, I found that when I finally understood something well enough to internalize it, my memory of ever having not known it faded away.

So now when I am wrong and need to update, I pay special attention to the fact of my wrongness, and I try to fill it with more detail like the why and how of my wrongness, so I can recover this information later. This helps to keep my internal beliefs from feeling like obvious truths.

As a bonus, it makes me a much more effective communicator. It is very hard to inform people about things when you have no concept of never having been informed. The empathy gained alone is worth the effort, in my opinion.

I've edited the post, because people don't seem to understand it correctly. 

It likely wasn't explained adequately by me, I hope this helps and it is now. 

CalebThiem

Mar 03, 2023

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I just stopped lying. In my experience, imagination is part of what gives rise to speech, and imagination can be mistaken for memory. After some time, my imagination provided thoughts that aligned with what I knew to be true, and my memory became clearer. Lying is a hard habit to break, but I think it's worth it.

Well, just for a start. You realize that if you tell the truth 100% of the time, that would make you completely untrustworthy, right? 

1CalebThiem1y
Nope, I'm lost😂 Please explain, I'm curious why that would be.
5JungleTact1cs1y
A 100% truth-teller is like a clear mirror, any information in their possession can be easily accessed by friends and enemies alike. Making them completely untrustworthy to anyone that wouldn't like all the information they share to become 100% public knowledge.

Lets say that you would like to tell your mother every day that you're a nice guy (authentically)(or use any other real life social scenario where it benefits to have a different position from your own)...eventually you yourself will start believing that you're a nice guy (or whatever that position is).

You have two realities, which both have to be REAL (they have to be authentically believed in the moment), one is a lie, it is for your mother, and a different one, the truth, for yourself.

Both have to be authentic, therefore you must believe in both (in their appropriate contexts). But one is for social contexts and the other one is for yourself. It's VERY easy to get lost in the social context one, because it's the one thats repeated OVER AND OVER. 

So the one that's repeated more often starts to crowd out the one for yourself. Eventually you forget the inner one and start believing in your own bullshit. Getting lost in the sauce. 

Not really, I want to retain a clear image of multiple of my realities in my mind for different contexts. 

It's also necessary to retain multiple external perceptions, but I've never had a problem with that. 

What's hard is believing something is both blue&red in one mind in various contexts. Especially, if one of them (lets say blue) is used constantly by your public identity in every social setting, but you also want to remember that it's red. 

Asking how not to lie to yourself, as it is natural to believe in your own bullshit after it's repeated over and over. 

Sorry, I believe you're misunderstanding the question (that's probably my fault).

This post isn't about finding the truth, it's about retaining the truth while telling lies (not getting lost in your own sauce). 

Nathan Young

Mar 02, 2023

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Play manifold markets, try and bet on questions that matter and see if you can make money. I can only do so with quite a lot of research, so I should be much more wary of where my views differ without significant research.

I've edited the post, because people don't seem to understand it correctly. 

It likely wasn't explained adequately by me, I hope this helps and it is now.