Hey. Long-time reader, first-time caller.
To start; My background is not tech private sector, but politics. More specifically, advising a lot of politicians who, up until recently, were viewed as total crackpots, but have recently become national representatives, and may soon become ministers or secretaries of state.
In short; I believe you vastly overestimate the legibility of AI problems.
In my experience, politicians both operate and regulate largely on vibes. The core structure of the problem is secondary to the pervasive feeling the in-group gets from the issue. A great example of this is nuclear in Germany. Whatever your views on the technology, how German society debates the issue is far from rational.
AI is an even more extreme case. This can be seen from Europe's AI Act. What started as a largely industry-backed push to get sensible controls applied to a beneficial but dangerous technology turned into an utter mess of nonsensical controls that became largely out of date within months of it being formally enacted.
For the record, I met with the actual main drafter of the act on the European Parliament side. They were clueless regarding the true nature of the technology. This is not an uncommon situation in Brussels.
I think the US midterms reveal that not only do similar issues plague U.S. public representatives, but the general public as well. Whatever you think about the current administration, it seems clear that one issue fueling their electoral wipe-out was artificial intelligence. However, these attacks on their AI policies were not sophisticated or measured, but rather blunt, populist-facing attacks on artificial intelligence in general.
Many politicians, left and right, now clearly view the technology as a massive boogieman for the general public, one which railing against can result in increased political popularity. As such, I believe hard regulations and attacks on major AI players are forthcoming.
To be clear, I believe these forthcoming regulations on AI will achieve nothing in terms of AI safety, as they will not be drafted with the purpose of helping humanity, but of pleasing an ill-informed voter base.
The great tragedy is that much of the current negative reputation around artificial intelligence, and AI companies, were built by AI companies and major players themselves who were desperately trying to educate the public about artificial intelligence. However, the terrible truth is that the substance of these information campaigns simply went over the heads of the electorate, while the negative sentiment -- the feeling of 'AI scary' -- hit home without issue.
Politicians, cynically or not, are now capitalising on that.
If the industry wants to change this, it is going to have to start fighting smarter.
I believe so, or pass it on to people who could.
Will again emphasise I am a relative outsider here. But the core issue really is that the entire industry is managing to land the feeling of the message, not the substance. There is a substantial gap between what both AI companies, as well as many AI safety researchers, say and write, and what people actually end up reading (both figuratively, but also literally in the case of when research is poorly reproduced in media outlets).
Simplifying the message on your own terms, I think, will be key. This simplificat... (read more)
To legislate something, it must be legible.
That is, legislators (or, you know, presidents) must be able to understand a problem, and understand whether a given law or decree solves that problem.
I am pleasantly surprised that the Hugging Face outbreak made a lot of problems legible that previously required abstract reasoning. (i.e. rogue AIs are real, and they can break out of a lab before they're even finished training).
But there are still many challenges we eventually need laws about, that require concepts that are illegible. Hard for politicians to understand. Often hard even for thoughtful intellectuals and AI safety researchers to understand (though they may disagree on which illegible problems exist and how big a deal they are).
We need political solutions that handle this fact.
The short takeaway is: I think "safety cases" will not work. Laws that require human judgment won't work. The details are too abstract and confusing to hold up against political and economic incentives.
I'm optimistic we can get serious, useful AI legislation in 2027, but it must be legislation that works despite many problems remaining illegible for a long time.
The Hugging Face outbreak made rogue AI surprisingly legible
The Hugging Face incident took several problems that were previously murky/unclear, and rendered them concrete.
In early September, I thought the AI safety community's job this year was "make sure the world hears about Hugging Face and that politicians realize it's their job to do something about rogue AI attacks." (i.e. make sure Hugging Face is legible to politicians, and that legislation gets passed as a result)
A couple months later... well I still think that's our job and requires a lot of effort. But it now feels less about getting the initial law passed, and more about educating the masses so there is sustained political will for regulating rogue AIs with future laws.
I've seen many politicians of both parties now talk about "loss of control", "chain of thought monitoring", "recursive self improvement", and "human extinction." I think "make sure rogue AI doesn't hack our banks and destroy our blood" will be a bipartisan issue.
The remaining problem is the illegible arguments that "solving this is actually pretty hard."
What makes an illegible argument?
From Wei Dai's Legible vs. Illegible AI Safety Problems:
In some sense, "Something smarter than you might not have your best interests at heart, and strategize in circles around you. AI will be very smart, and we don't understand it well at all" is a very simple argument. More people now think "sure, that seems like it requires some effort."
The illegible part is a set of abstract arguments that say: "This is probably very hard. So hard, that it's worth doing things that are not 'business as usual politics'."
The illegible part is not "This is probably very hard."
The illegible part is "This series of abstract reasoning steps means we should think it is likely enough to be hard, that it is worth doing politically difficult things to help." (AI safety people may vary on whether they think "it's so hard that we need 30 years + genetically engineered supergeniuses to do it" vs "it's hard enough that we really need room to think, without industry economic pressure rushing us".)
There are hypothetically three ways to deal with the illegible problems:
In the near term I'm most optimistic about #3, and then #2.
I don't really know how to do #1, especially in a systematic way that people can externally trust. It'd be cool tho.
What are the remaining illegible problems?
"Legible <-> Illegible" is a spectrum. Here's a range of bottom-lines, in increasing order of "difficult to explain the arguments" (where many LWers reading this post might disagree with some of the later ones).
Illegibility is a problem when a given politician or lab employee doesn't understand something. It's also a problem when they don't expect their voter base, president, allies or friends to understand something (especially if it requires taking a weird, costly action). And it's a problem if a politician wants to defer to scientific consensus, but the problem is hard to understand even for scientists.
Borderline legible / tricky
I think most politicians would understand these if they were thinking carefully about it. but wouldn't be able to tell if we had solved the problem.
Normal problems in politics:
AI-specific concerns that politicians can probably understand if they try:
Conceptually challenging
Then we get to arguments that are actively hard or impossible for many people to understand, before they see concrete evidence (which might come too late).
Many of these are the same claims as above, but, with more magnitude sinking in:
That last one ("we need to align ASI on the first critical try") is still controversial among AI safety people. It's what I believe. But the important thing is the fact that there are still debates about that sort of thing among smart AI safety people. Maybe the answer will resolve one way, or the other. Either way, a lot of smart people will have turned out to be wrong about a thing they thought a lot about.
Challenging even for technical regulation bureaucracies:
Ultimately, politicians and AI CEOs/researchers don't just need to understand an issue exists. They need to somehow understand the problem well enough to tell if they successfully solved it.
For example, politicians understand "regulatory capture", but, arguments about "is this regulatory capture, or not?" are much murkier, and essentially depend on someone somewhere actually understanding what kind of safety work is real and helpful and not just safety-washed capabilities.
It's a "normal" problem for politicians to need to defer to experts, and if experts are disagreeing, well-intentioned politicians don't really know what to do and there are tons of degrees-of-freedom for motivated reasoning to twist policy. Politicians probably understand there'll be "illegible" problems of the form "the difference between safe research and unsafe depends on complex technical arguments the politicians can't evaluate."
So now we get to the trickiest claims, that you might not believe:
(Can you make more progress on conceptual difficulty with AI assistance? Maybe. Maybe 1/2 or 3/4 of the work can be improved with AI assistance. But ultimately it needs humans with the skill to notice subtle flaws or second-order-consequences when evaluating "are we asking the right questions? How do we know?". AI assistance can help, but you'll still be bottlenecked on this.)
Some of that conceptual difficulty is about questions that are kinda obvious:
But then there will be fractal disagreement about what counts as good answers or sub-questions to those questions, and how to operationalize it all into code that can run. It'll include philosophical sub-questions like "what counts as a human?" and "what counts as a human's legitimate 'will?'". And technical operationalizations like "what is the type signature of a human will?" (or noticing that everything in this paragraph is confused and you needed better questions in the first place).
There will be opaque-to-laymen questions like "will this learning algorithm generalize this concept correctly in a new domain? how do we know?" and "will this algorithm fall into inescapable decision theory lock-in? how do we know?"
(Researchers closer to the frontier can supply their own questions they expect other researchers to struggle with understanding)
Sidestepping illegibility
Politicians don't actually need to understand all this. For the near future, my recommended strategy is to propose policies that solve problems politicians already can understand, that also happen to improve our ability to navigate the illegible problems.
But, the threat of illegible problems constrains what policies work.
Safety cases won't work
For example, I don't expect safety cases to work. They actually have to route through all that understanding. You'll need an institution capable of hiring people who can distinguish right and wrong answers to "will this next AI's capabilities generalize in a way we regret?". Safety cases might work if you only ever had to be worried about something 10-1000x as bad as the Hugging Face Incident.
But we actually have to handle superintelligence and RSI, and the decision-makers need to be conceptually competent.
Broadly: I don't expect any solution that involves decision-makers evaluating how dangerous an AI lab's research is to hold up against massive economic pressure. It's cool if Congress gets widespread agreement that RSI is dangerous, but I don't see a way to narrowly ban RSI, or "algorithmic progress", without thinking through many of the above issues.
An example policy that sidesteps judgement
An example policy I feel more optimistic about, that I've heard making the rounds:
This doesn't require any government judgment in the system, and it doesn't try to guess what counts as "safety" vs "capabilities."
Instead, we just yank R&D and training from being >50% of compute to being, say, 10-30%. And, we mandate that a lot of research has to be some kind of public good that doesn't leak trade secrets the lab needed to stay competitive.
It's not a great world, but it seems better than the world we have.
This would be a somewhat weird law. But given how I've seen politicians taking rogue AI and RSI as in-Overton-window talking points these days (and sometimes even seeming to think critically about them!), it feels like an achievable to make a case like:
I don't know if this is the best nearterm policy, and I don't know enough about the political landscape in 2027 to know if it's achievable or a nonstarter. But many voters are scared about AI and I expect even pro-AI politicians to be a bit unsettled by the pace of progress. And this is the sort of plan I think a smart senator could understand given the evidence and concepts easily available to them.
This plan is not sufficient. I think it buys maybe 1 year. I am hoping that year is enough to make more problems legible enough to motivate a serious pause or halt.
Then, we do need to actually resolve the other illegible obstacles and disagreements. But the above sort of policy would give us a lot more breathing room for doing so.
Appendix: Legibility in Longterm Plans
There seem to be roughly four longterm plans I know of:
In the longterm, plans like "shut it all down indefinitely" require less legibility than plans like "ban unsafe AI practices and allow safe AI ones" or "solve alignment quickly."
All longterm plans require politicians to understand "AI is very dangerous and poorly understood, enough to warrant costly political action."
But "ban unsafe AI practices" requires a community of experts that have resolved the correct answer to "what are safe vs unsafe practices?", and then for that answer to be communicated clearly to politicians.
Legibility isn't the only necessary property of a good plan, but, "requires less legibility" is an upside, all else equal.
I'm a bit surprised I've seen politicians talking about this. I'm not sure if they quite get it but some at least use it as a talking point.
i.e. if the answer to previous question is "the ASI explains it and asks them", the ASI has a ton of degrees of freedom that can guide the human to the conclusions it wants.