A lot of the discussion on this post ended up being about LessWrong norms. I've moved that particular thread over to the comments here, and left a comment there pointing over here.
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On the object-level topic of Said Achmiz, I have said all I care about, and I shall say no more. But there are deeper philosophical disagreements underlying the object level, which you correctly point to in your second-to-last paragraph. In fact, reading point number 2 in that paragraph reminded me of this classic and critical excerpt of Eliezer's writing in the Preface to the new Sequences:
I thought, and still do think, that there is an unfortunate problem wherein treating ideas courteously is processed by many people on some level as “Nothing bad will happen to me if I say I believe this; I won’t lose status if I say I believe in homeopathy,” and that derisive laughter by comedians can help people wake up from the dream.
I believe that saying someone's argument or belief is Obvious Nonsense and can be dismissed because it's already been conclusively addressed in a dozen posts in the Sequences, and using these exact words to say it,[1] seems to me like an absolutely pro-social and frankly necessary part of maintaining epistemic hygiene in a truth-seeking community.
As opposed to, as a hopefully-relevant example, the EA Forum college-campus-style "we are all friends and you are super smart and I will do anything to avoid offending you and I will acknowledge all your emotions as valid, while trying my hardest to find an angle from which our disagreement disappears instead of addressing any of your actual points"
A lot of the discussion on this post ended up being about LessWrong norms. I've moved that particular thread over to the comments here, and left a comment there pointing over here.
(Some of those comments, including the initial one, were object-level relevant to this post. I apologize for moving all of them indiscriminately. Our comment-moving-features are a bit janky and it's easier to move an entire thread than individual subthreads. I also apologize for breaking a lot of the comment-permalinks in that thread, and we'll look into fixing those. Meanwhile, you can actually still hover-over the comments in question on LW to see a preview of the comment, and you can also copy the comment-hash from the link and apply it to the new post to get a working link)