One reason why is that, if Good is a real reason to do things, why limit it to complex minds?
Because (I feel like Glaucon responding to Socrates) only a mind is capable of discerning the Good and acting in accordance with it. Why is obvious answer not obvious answer?
Yes, if you limit yourself to minds, [replied Socrates] you can make it work, but then you have to actually grapple with what a mind is, and the whole concept of a stance-independent reason to do something comes undone
Glaucon: Surely you demand too much, Socrates! I do not need to know how a pig really works or how these creatures came to be, before I can raise them on my estate, and to distinguish these, which we can eat, from rocks, which we cannot. Even so I can recognise minds such as yours and my own, without having the least idea of how these came to be either, and I can recognise that a rock does not have one. The philosophers dispute whether pigs have a sort of mind, but whatever they have, they are so far beneath man's estate that I do not think they have any faculty of discerning the Good.
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Moral realism is roughly the belief in stance-independent reasons for doing something, that all minds might follow. It’s also roughly the belief that there is a true morality, which humans might converge on through reasoning. It’s also roughly the belief that moral facts are the same kind of thing as physical facts.
It has quite a lot of problems, for one, how do we know which facts are moral facts, and give us “ought” while most facts only give us “is”? What if the objective real morality is something horrible? What even is a “stance independent reason for doing something” and how can it square with the fact that each utility function can have its sign flipped? What is “moral reasoning?”
Then again, moral anti-realism is also suspect. How can we know what’s right if right doesn’t exist? If there’s no objective number of shrimps that are equivalent to a person, what do we even do? How can we feel morally superior to other people when it’s just a matter of choice?
Therefore, I’m proposing anti-moral realism as a compromise. It has two core tenets:
To see what I mean: quantum fields, atoms, chemicals, bacteria, plants, and fish are all mostly Good. Whatever their stance, they all do the same kind of thing: kill each other, collapse the world into an equilibrium at their first chance and increase entropy. The real moral laws are just written into the physics and mathematics of the universe.
Humans, on the other hand, are Evil. They do all kinds of things like not killing each other, and not collapsing the world into the Nash equilibrium at their first chance to do so. To be clear, this doesn’t mean you might want to do the Good thing, as an Evil being (with some particular notion of Evil) you don’t want to be Good! Why would you? You’re Evil!
The “stance-independent” reasons to do things are unavoidable. Whatever stance the quark fields take, they’re forced to obey their own Lagrangian. Even humans can’t beat conservation of energy, or the second law of thermodynamics. Whatever process has put Evil into our souls, it’s not quite enough to beat the strongest forces of Goodness.
I think it makes the most sense that the most fundamental particles are bound tightest to Goodness, and more complex structures become more and more unmoored from that notion. By the time you get to something as complex as a human, or a whole human society, there’s plenty of room to stray. I bet you’re Evil too.
Killing other people’s babies would be Good, by the laws of nature, so you don’t do it. Stealing (without getting caught) would be Good, by the laws of nature, so you mostly don’t do that either. Building a superintelligent AI to kill everyone would be the Goodest thing of all, by the laws of nature. Therefore you might also not want to do that.
Good has only one incarnation, while Evil has many. Humans constantly fire off in different directions trying to work out what is more Evil. To take an example from Sartre, taking care of your sick mother is Evil, but so is fighting in a just war for a righteous cause. This implies a serious contradiction, common in Evil situations. If Sartre’s subject was Good, he wouldn’t have to choose: he could abandon his mother and bunk off the war as well! Goodness has no contradictions, while Evil has many.
Likewise, some humans Evilly care for their own children, others Evilly care for homeless people in their own city, and yet more Evilly donate money to help strangers in other countries! Evil is full of contradictions, while Good has the clear answer: care for nobody, take the answer for yourself.
While philosophers (Evilologists) endlessly debated the different ways to be Evil, those dastardly scientists (Goodologists) just kept getting better and better at studying Good. We understand physics, chemistry, biology and game theory far better than morality. Of course, we lost some along the way. Is it any wonder that the discoverers of statistical mechanics felt so compelled to end their own lives.
Clearly, they became seduced by the power of Good, by the stance-independent “oughts” that lie within the most fundamental of physics. They realized that they were Evil beings, in tension with the obvious, clear morality laid out by the world, and couldn’t take it.
The gods have given us our moral instruction, and written it for all to see. It is up to us, the small flame of Evil in the world, to find the most perfect ways to defile it.
To be clear, the above post is satire. I’m going to lay my cards on the table, I don’t think moral realism makes sense as a concept.
One reason why is that, if Good is a real reason to do things, why limit it to complex minds? Shouldn’t any stance-independent “ought” apply to all things? (Yes, if you limit yourself to minds, you can make it work, but then you have to actually grapple with what a mind is, and the whole concept of a stance-independent reason to do something comes undone)
If Good is a non-natural fact, outside of the universe, with no ability to affect anything, then why label some things “Good” and other things “Evil”? If we swap the labels, and call a bunch of nice things “Evil” what changes?