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Most LWers should rely less on norms of their own (or the LW community's) design, and instead defer to regular societal norms more.


@peterbarnett and I quickly looked at summaries for ~20 papers citing Llama 2, and we thought ~8 were neither advantaged nor disadvantaged for capabilities over safety, ~7 were better for safety than capabilities, and ~5 were better for capabilities than safety. For me, this was a small update towards the effects of Llama 2 so far, having been positive.


That's helpful feedback; if others would find donating through helpful (which they can signal by agree-voting with the parent comment), I'd be happy to look into this.

I think we can be very flexible for donations over $30k, so if you're interested in making a donation of that size feel free to dm me and I am sure we can figure something out.


On my computer, Ctrl-f finds ~10 cases of Holtz appearing in the main text, e.g. point 4 of the introduction.

> ... This included a few times when Yudkowsky’s response was not fully convincing and there was room for Holtz to go deeper, and I wish he would have in those cases. ...

We are hoping to release a report in the next few weeks giving a run down on our grantmaking over the last year, with some explanations for why we made the grants and some high level reflections on the fund.

Some things that might be useful:
* Fund page where we give more context on the goals of the fund:
* Our old payout reports:
* Our public grants database:

(Speaking just for the Long-Term Future Fund)

It’s true that the Long-Term Future Fund could use funding right now. We’re working on a bunch of posts, including an explanation of our funding needs, track record over the last year, and some reflections that I hope will be out pretty soon.

I’d probably wait for us to post those if you’re a prospective LTFF donor, as they also have a bunch of relevant updates about the fund.

There are lots of possible goals. Some people are good at achieving some goals. Performance on most goals that are interesting to me is dependent on the decision making ability of the player (e.g. winning at poker vs being tall).

There is some common thread between being an excellent poker player, a supportive friend and a fantastic cook. Even if the inner decision-making workings seem very different in each one, I think that some people have a mindset that lets them find the appropriate decision-making machinery for each task.

To use a metaphor, whilst some people who can play the piano beautifully would not have become beautiful violin players if they had chosen the violin instead of the piano, most people that play the piano and violin beautifully are just good at practising. I think that most instrumentalists could have become good instrumentalists at most other instruments because they are good at practising (although of course, some people do find success in other ways).

Practising is to learning instruments as applied rationality is achieving goals.

I often see people say things like it is cheaper to follow a vegan diet than an omnivorous one.

I think that this is trivially false (but probably not very interesting), the set of omnivorous diet includes the set of vegan meals and even if the vegan meals are often cheaper than the nonvegan ones, in my personal experience I often find that I am regularly in situations where it would be cheaper to consume a meal that contains meat or dairy (e.g. at restaurants where most meals and not vegan, or when looking around the reduced section of the supermarket).

The common response I get to this is 'well if you are optimising for the cheapest possible meal (and not just the cheapest meal at say a restaurant) this will probably be something like rice and beans which is vegan'. I somewhat agree here, but I think that it is more useful to say for some level of satisfaction how is expensive is the cheapest possible meal and it is vegan? I think often once we move to things a little more expensive than rice and beans it becomes much less clear whether vegan diets are usually cheaper.

Also if vegan diets were cheaper for similar levels of satisfaction I think I'd expect vegan food to be much more popular amongst people who are not sympathetic to animal ethics/environmental arguments just because I expect consumer preferences to be pretty sensitive to differences in the cost of similar utility goods.

I've been thinking about how we might improve epistemic hygiene in the EA community (particularly on the forum) this post has been useful and I'm keen to find more content in this space.

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