OC LW/ACX 15 Intersubjectivity Collapse and Idea Scarcity Fallacy

Due to the Cold weather, we are meeting at my house nearby! 1970 port Laurent Place, 92660

Hello folks! 

I am glad to announce the 15th of a continuing series of Orange County ACX/LW meetups. Meeting this Saturday and most Saturdays. 

Contact me, Michael, at michaelmichalchik@gmail.com with questions or requests.

 

Saturday, 1/21/23, 2 pm

Activities (all activities are optional)

A) Two conversation starter topics this week will be. (see links on page 2)

1) The intersubjectivity collapse A catastrophic or existential risk for any civilization that radically self-modifies their minds and develops AGI-Pawel Pachniewski

2) "The Feeling of Idea Scarcity" by John Wentworth

B) We will also have the card game Predictably Irrational. Feel free to bring your favorite games or distractions. 

C) We usually walk and talk for about an hour after the meeting starts. There are two easy-access mini-malls nearby with hot takeout food available. Search for Gelson's or Pavilions in the zipcode 92660. 

 

D) Share a surprise! Tell the group about something that happened that was unexpected or changed how you look at the universe.

E) Make a prediction and give a probability and end condition.

F) Contribute ideas to the group's future direction: topics, types of meetings, activities, etc.


 

Conversation Starter Readings:
These readings are optional, but if you do them, think about what you find interesting, surprising, useful, questionable, vexing, or exciting.  

1) The intersubjectivity collapse - by Pawel Pachniewski

https://mentalcontractions.substack.com/p/the-intersubjectivity-collapse

No audio is available yet.

What is intersubjectivity? Do you agree with the author that self-modification will intensify our differences and cause a breakdown in the social contract, shared efforts, and communication? What are current sources of intersubjectivity conflict, and are they growing? Which technologies feed into this?

And Chat GPT’s questions about this: What is the intersubjectivity collapse and why is it important for any civilization that develops AGI?

1. How does the intersubjectivity collapse relate to the alignment of AGI and AI safety?
2. How does the concept of the "subjectiverse," or the space of all possible experiences, relate to the intersubjectivity collapse?
3. Can you explain the idea of a "consciousness setpoint" and how it relates to the intersubjectivity collapse?
4. What are some potential catastrophic and far-reaching consequences of an intersubjectivity collapse?
5. What are some potential solutions or ways to mitigate the impact of an intersubjectivity collapse?
6. How can we anticipate and understand the intersubjectivity collapse in order to prevent it from happening?
7. Can you explain the idea that the intersubjectivity collapse may be a "great filter candidate," and what that means?
8. How does the concept of the "Hedonic Treadmill" relate to the intersubjectivity collapse?
9. What are some recommendations for future research on the intersubjectivity collapse and its potential consequences?

2) The Feeling of Idea Scarcity - LessWrong

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/mfPHTWsFhzmcXw8ta/the-feeling-of-idea-scarcity#

Do you have innovative ideas that you have been hanging on to? Do you hang on to them despite evidence they are wrong because you want them to be true? Do you think the idea scarcity fallacy applies to goals and hope generally? 

Here are Chat GPT’s questions for you to think about:


 

1. How can someone overcome the emotional attachment to their high-potential idea when it doesn't work out?
2. What are some common mistakes people make when trying to move on from a failed idea?
3. How can someone handle the feeling of failure when their high-potential idea doesn't pan out?
4. How can someone determine if their idea is truly unique and valuable, before investing too much time and resources into it?
5. How can someone balance being open to new ideas and feedback while also being emotionally invested in their own idea?