I'm midway through your post and I want to say that I've also been deep in Mad Investor Chaos. In addition to loving it, I am very inspired by it.
Inspired to look for ways to improve my thinking. Looking for things I'm flinching away from - and narrow in on those things for inspection.
I keep asking myself - what is it that I already know about the world that I'm pretending not to see? What are things that I can expect to believe later that I should just update and believe now?
I imagine your writing style here reminds me of the manic way of the characters figuring Law out in Mad Investor Chaos, and I like it.
I really appreciate you for writing how despite verbally agreeing that modesty is unproductive, you nevertheless never judged high-status people as dumb. That's totally the kind of noticing/Law I imagine we need more of.
And I also imagine this is the sort of mindset Eliezer is looking for - the mindset where you figure those things out unprompted, without an Eliezer there to correct you. And I also judge that in your case, even though you could say you are being prompted - by your desire for validation - well, that's good enough.
Anyway, back to reading.
I really appreciate you for writing how despite verbally agreeing that modesty is unproductive, you nevertheless never judged high-status people as dumb. That's totally the kind of noticing/Law I imagine we need more of. And I also imagine this is the sort of mindset Eliezer is looking for - the mindset where you figure those things out unprompted, without an Eliezer there to correct you.
I find this comment kind of aggravating.
I'll claim that the very mindset you mention starts with not taking Eliezer at face value when he half-implies he's the only per... (read more)
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The funny thing about long periods of time is that they do, eventually, come to an end. I'm proud of what I accomplished during my PhD. That said, I'm going to first focus on mistakes I've made over the past four[1] years.
Mistakes
I think I got significantly smarter in 2018–2019, and kept learning some in 2020–2021. I was significantly less of a fool in 2021 than I was in 2017. That is important and worth feeling good about. But all things considered, I still made a lot of profound mistakes over the course of my PhD.
Social dynamics distracted me from my core mission
I focused on "catching up" to other thinkers
I figured this point out by summer 2021.
I wanted to be more like Eliezer Yudkowsky and Buck Shlegeris and Paul Christiano. They know lots of facts and laws about lots of areas (e.g. general relativity and thermodynamics and information theory). I focused on building up dependencies (like analysis and geometry and topology) not only because I wanted to know the answers, but because I felt I owed a debt, that I was in the red until I could at least meet other thinkers at their level of knowledge.
But rationality is not about the bag of facts you know, nor is it about the concepts you have internalized. Rationality is about how your mind holds itself, it is how you weigh evidence, it is how you decide where to look next when puzzling out a new area.
If I had been more honest with myself, I could have nipped the "catching up with other thinkers" mistake in 2018. I could have removed the bad mental habits using certain introspective techniques; or at least been aware of the badness.
But I did not, in part because the truth was uncomfortable. If I did not have a clear set of prerequisites (e.g. analysis and topology and game theory) to work on, I would not have a clear and immediate direction of improvement. I would have felt adrift.
But there is not yet any "rationality tech tree", no succession of well-defined rationality skills such that you can learn them in order and grow way stronger. Like, you can't just do the calibration exercises, and then the noticing-confusion exercises, and then other things. Those tools help, but they aren't enough. There won't be a clear and immediate direction of improvement, at first. But you may want to get stronger anyways.
I focused on seeming smart and defensible
I figured this point out this spring.
When I started working on alignment, I didn't know what to do at first, and I felt insecure about my credentials. As far as I remember, I figured I'd start off by becoming respected, since other people's feedback was initially a better guide than my own taste. Unfortunately, I didn't realize how deeply and subtly this goal would grow its roots.
I worried about upvotes, I worried about winning arguments, I worried about being defensible against criticism. I was so worried that someone would comment on one of my posts and tear everything down, because I hadn't been careful enough, because I had left myself open by not dotting all my 'i's. (Not that anyone has ever done that on LessWrong before...)
I think it was this year that I had my (second) "oh man, don't forget the part where everyone is allowed to die to AI" moment. To illustrate the new mindset this gut-realization gave me, I'll detail a recent decision with social consequences, and then compare the old and the new mindsets.
A few months back, Quintin Pope approached me with (what he claimed to be) a new alignment paradigm, which blossomed from asking the following kind of questions:
After a few days, I realized my gut expectations were that he was broadly correct and that this theory of alignment could actually be right. However, I realized I wasn't consciously letting myself think that because it would be Insufficiently Skeptical to actually think the alignment problem is solvable. This seemed obviously stupid to me, so I quickly shut that line of thinking down and second-order updated towards optimism so that I would stop predictably getting more optimistic about Quintin's theory.[2]
I realized I assigned about 5% credence to "this line of thinking marks a direct and reasonably short path to solving alignment." Thus, on any calculation of benefits and harms, I should be willing to stake some reputation to quickly get more eyeballs on the theory, even though I expected to end up looking a little silly (with about 95% probability). With my new attitude, I decided "whatever, let's just get on with it and stop wasting time."
The old "don't leave any avenue of being criticized!" attitude would have been less loyal to my true beliefs: "This could work, but there are so many parts I don't understand yet. If I figure those parts out first, I can explain it better and avoid having to go out on a limb in the process." Cowardice and social anxiety, dressed up as prudence and skepticism.
I still get anxious around disagreements with people I respect. I am still working on fully expunging the "defensibility" urges, because they suck. But I've already made a lot of progress.[3]
Too much deference, too little thinking for myself
I realized and started fixing this mistake this spring. (Seeing a pattern?)
I filtered the world through a status lens. If I read a comment from a high-status person, I would gloss over confusing parts, because I was probably the one reading it wrong. Sure, I would verbally agree that modest epistemology is unproductive. I just happened to not think thoughts like "[high-status person]'s claim seems obviously dumb and wrong."
Now I let myself think thoughts like that, and it's great. For example, last week I was reading about Pavlov's conditioning experiments with dogs. I read the following:
I thought, "that seems like bullshit. Really, the dogs are hard-wired to salivate when they see food? Doesn't that require hard-wiring a food-classifier into the dog's brain?!"
And you know what? It was bullshit. I searched for about 8 minutes before finding references of the original lectures Pavlov gave:
Our world is so inadequate that seminal psychology experiments are described in mangled, misleading ways. Inadequacy abounds, and status only weakly tracks adequacy. Even if the high-status person belongs to your in-group. Even if all your smart friends are nodding along.
Would you notice if this very post were inadequate and misleading? Would it be bullshit for the dog-genome to hardwire a food-classifier? Think for yourself. Constant vigilance!
Non-social mistakes
I thought about comfortable, familiar problems
I figured this point out this spring, because I bumped into Quintin as described above.
I remember a sunny summer day in 2019, sitting in the grass with Daniel Filan at UC Berkeley. He recommended putting together an end-to-end picture of the alignment problem. I remember feeling pretty uncomfortable about that, feeling that I wouldn't understand which alignment problems go where in my diagram ("do embedded agency failures crop up here, or there?"). Wouldn't it just make more sense to read more alignment papers and naturally refine those views over time?
This was a rationalization, plain and simple. There is no point where you feel ready to put all the pieces together. If you feel totally comfortable about how alignment fits together such that Daniel's exercise does not push you on some level, we have either already solved the alignment problem, or you are deluded.
I did not feel ready, and I was not ready, and I should have done it anyways. But I focused on more comfortable work with well-defined boundaries, because it felt good to knock out new theorems. Whether or not those theorems were useful and important to alignment, that was a mistake. So I stayed in my alignment comfort zone. I should have stopped working on impact measures and power-seeking way earlier than I did, even though I did end up doing some cool work.
Not admitting to myself that I thought alignment was doomed
Figured this out this spring. I'm not sure if I've fixed the general error yet.
After I became more optimistic about alignment due to having a sharper understanding of the overall problem and of how human values formed to begin with, I also became more pessimistic about other approaches, like IDA/ELK/RRM/AUP/[anything else with a three-letter acronym]. But my new understanding didn't seem to present any specific objections. So why did I suddenly feel worse about these older ideas?
I suspect that part of the explanation is: I hadn't wanted to admit how confused I was about alignment, and I (implicitly) clutched to "but it could work"-style hopefulness. But now that I had a different reason to hope, resting upon a more solid and mechanistic understanding, now it was apparently emotionally safe for me to admit I didn't have much hope at all for the older approaches.
Yikes.
If that's what happened, I was seriously deluding myself. I will do better next time.
I viewed my life through narratives
I probably figured this point out in 2021.
Back in 2018, I had the "upstart alignment researcher" narrative—starting off bright-eyed and earnest, learning a lot, making friends. But then I hurt my hands and couldn't type anymore, which broke the narrative. I felt dejected—to slightly exaggerate, I felt I had fallen off of the sunlit path, and now nothing was going to go as it should.
Another example of narrative-thinking is when people say "I'm just not a math person." This is an inference and a story they tell themselves. Strictly speaking, they may not know much math, and they may not enjoy math, and they may not see how to change either of those facts. But the narrative is that they are not a math person. Their discomfort and their aversion-to-trying stem not just from their best-guess assessment of their own weaknesses, but from a story they are living in.
Every moment is an opportunity for newly-directed action. Keep your identity small and keep the narratives in the story-books. At least, if you want to use narratives, carefully introspect to make sure you're using them, and they aren't using you.
Other helpful habits I picked up
I'm not really sure where these two habits go, so I'll put them here. I wish I'd had these skills in 2018.
Here are two cases I've recently found where people seem to mistake the folk wisdom for observation:
"If there are some circuits who can defer to the market prediction, then each circuit can get their coalitional contribution as their fixed weight. This lets some relatively simpler circuits retain weight. At least, those are the abstract words I want to say, but now I feel confused about how to apply that to a concrete example for how e.g. a shallow but broad "don't steal" value negotiates via Critch-bargaining. Not being able to give a concrete example means I don't really know what I'm talking about here."
To close out the "Mistakes" section, I mostly wish I'd expected more from myself. I wish I'd believed myself capable of building an end-to-end picture of the alignment problem, of admitting what I didn't know and what I hadn't thought about, of being able to survive/ignore the harsh winds of criticism and skepticism.
I did these things eventually, though, and I'm proud of that.
What I'm proud of
Looking forward
Leaving Oregon was a bit sad, but coming to Berkeley is exciting. I'll be starting my CHAI postdoc soon. I'm working with lots of cool, smart, loyal friends. I'm feeling strong and confident and relatively optimistic, both about alignment and about my personal future.
Here's to winning. 🥂
My PhD was six years long (it started in the fall of 2016). However, I'm not even going to critique the first two years, because that would make the "Mistakes" section far too long.
If you're interested in reading about the theory now, see this recent comment. I'm currently putting together some prerequisite posts to bridge the inferential gap.
Sometimes I feel the urge to defend myself just a little more, to which some part of me internally replies "are you serious, this defensibility thing again?! Are you ever going to let me actually think?"
I like that part of me a lot.