This is currently at –1 despite being a carefully reasoned post on an important topic. I wonder if the downvoter(s) would have used the disagree vote instead had it been available. (More generally, it is unclear why that button is available in comments but not in posts.)
The moderators have said that it is because posts tend to cover a range of stuff, rendering a block-vote agree or disagree less useful. Comments, on the other hand, tend to be narrower, making agree/disagree more useful.
Moderators are invited to agree/disagree on the narrow topic of my characterisation of their reasoning. :)
Yeah, that makes sense, especially if combined with the feature that allows users to disagree with specific parts of the post, as Michael notes. (Though note that the disagree vote is anonymous, whereas disagreeing with a selection is public, so the two aren’t fully comparable.)
Summary
I illustrate and defend actualist object views as my conception of radical empathy, of being concerned exactly with what we would actually care about. As a kind of asymmetric person-affecting view, the most important implication for cause prioritization is probably lower priority for extinction risk reduction relative to total utilitarianism.
Acknowledgements
Thanks to Ariel Simnegar, Lukas Gloor, Justis Mills, Tori, JackM and Vasco Grilo for helpful feedback. All errors are my own.
An example for changing preferences
There’s an adult named Alice and a child named Bobby. In the outcome Adopt, Bobby’s parents are killed and Alice meets and adopts Bobby, coming to care deeply about his welfare — her concern for his welfare is the preference P —, but she only met and adopted Bobby because his parents were killed in Adopt. In Adopt, their deaths have caused him some trauma, and he’d have been better off if they hadn’t been killed, in the outcome Survive. Still, Alice would be an excellent adoptive mother, and Bobby’s life would still seem very good overall to her in the world in which his parents are killed and she adopted him (Adopt), so she’d have a favourable or positive attitude towards his life and welfare (in Adopt). However, Alice, in Adopt, would be genuinely concerned for Bobby’s welfare and what’s best for him, and would know he’d have been better off had his parents not been killed and prefers that they wouldn’t have been killed. In Adopt, she’d therefore prefer Survive. Her attitude matches her impression of Bobby’s overall welfare.
P exists
P is a favourable attitude (e.g. pleasure, approval, appreciation) towards Adopt
According to P, Survive > Adopt
P: Alice’s preference for Bobby’s welfare.
If Survive didn’t seem better to Alice, I’d think it wasn’t just Bobby’s welfare that P was really about, or that P was the only difference, but what else she gained by being with him. Her love for Bobby could be more selfish than selfless. But I will assume here her love for him is in fact much more selfless than selfish, so it’s regrettable to her, for his sake, that his parents were killed. And she could tell you this herself in Adopt.
I will focus on what seems better on behalf of Alice’s preference P, and not how others are made better or worse off except insofar as this is reflected in Alice’s preference P. So, I’m setting aside what’s best for Bobby and his parents from any perspective besides P, and ways Alice might care about them or anything else other than through P. Other reasons would typically be important and worth weighing in practice.
On behalf of Alice’s preference P, it seems to me that it would be better had Bobby’s parents survived. This is a direct intuition I have about the case. But there are two similar actualist object view arguments I would give in defense of this intuition.
Deliberation path argument
All paths end in Survive. Wherever you end up is what’s best or what you should do, so we should choose Survive on behalf of P, if we ignore other reasons.[1]
Best in the outcome argument
There is therefore only one outcome that’s best according to P, according to what P would actually care about: Survive. This is what matters, so Survive is better on behalf of P.[2]
On the other hand, as far as I can tell, most consequentialist views and axiologies in the literature won’t find Survive better on behalf of P.
P exists
P is a favourable attitude (e.g. pleasure, approval, appreciation) towards Adopt
According to P, Survive > Adopt
P: Alice’s preference for Bobby’s welfare.
Some assign P or her relationship with Bobby positive value on her behalf, and so find Adopt better on her behalf. Her attitude towards Bobby and his welfare is positive, after all, and it is an important relationship. But again, she’d prefer Survive in Adopt according to P, so this would be objectionable to her based on P.
Some ignore P or their relationship, because it’s not the right kind of thing to count morally, or under a presentist or necessitarian preference-affecting view, because P doesn’t yet or necessarily exist, respectively. Or, they might find the two options incomparable on her behalf or on behalf of P. But indifference isn’t sensitive to the fact that she'd prefer Survive in Adopt all else equal, and she would have reason to object in Adopt. And incomparability just seems too strong: even if her preferences don’t strictly agree between the two outcomes, she would find Adopt objectionable and wouldn’t mind Survive.
On some views, on Alice’s behalf, Survive beats Adopt because P or Alice and Bobby’s relationship has negative value in Adopt.[3] Then, this negative value assignment doesn’t match her own (attitude) towards Bobby and his welfare in Adopt, which is positive. Furthermore, on behalf of P alone, Bobby also dying with his parents would be just as good as Survive and also beat Adopt. However, on behalf of P, she’d disagree with this in each of Survive, Adopt and if Bobby dies, being indifferent in Survive or if Bobby dies, and strictly preferring both Survive and Adopt to Bobby dying in Survive.[4]
If there were other differences to account for, including the direct interests of Bobby and his biological parents, but also possibly other differences between Survive and Adopt, P could tip the balance in one direction or the other. And P should favour Survive.
So, please don’t let Bobby’s parents die on behalf of Alice’s preference P. That’s exactly what she would disprefer. And please don’t also let Bobby die on behalf of P, either. There’s no world where that would seem better to her due to P.
The Asymmetry
The Asymmetry (or the Procreation Asymmetry) is an intuition that has been characterized as follows (McMahan, 1981):
There are different versions of the Asymmetry, some of which are not antinatalist.[5]
One objection to views which satisfy any version of the Asymmetry is that any argument for the worseness of the presence of some features like suffering, complaints or victims can be reversed into an argument for the betterness of the presence of some symmetric features like flourishing, anti-complaints/gratitude or beneficiaries (MacAskill, 2022, p.172, Beckstead, 2013, pp.80–81).[6] But this doesn’t apply to actualist arguments, and actualist arguments can imply the Asymmetry (Parsons, 2002, St. Jules, 2019, Cohen, 2020, Spencer, 2021). I will illustrate here.
Suppose P is an individual’s aversive, unpleasant, disapproving or other disfavourable or negative attitude towards an experience, other parts of their life or their life as a whole. For example, P is the unpleasantness of a painful sensation (or a disposition to find that sensation painful), so is a preference against the presence of that sensation, the object of the preference. Consider:
and no other affected preferences between the two:
The individual doesn’t exist
P never exists and its object is absent
P exists, its object is present, and it counts against the object
P: Nonexistence > Pain
Deliberation path argument
We can imagine starting in Nonexistence or Pain, but all roads lead to Nonexistence. That’s pretty metal.
Best in the outcome argument
There is only one outcome that’s best according to all the preferences in it, according to what everyone would actually care about: Nonexistence. So, on an actualist object view, Nonexistence is better.
On the other hand, suppose P is an individual’s attracted, pleasant, approving or other favourable or positive attitude towards an experience, other parts of their life or their life as a whole. For example, P is the disposition to find a particular sensation pleasurable, so is a preference for the presence of that sensation, the object of the preference. Consider:
and no other affected preferences between the two:
The individual doesn’t exist
P never exists and its object is absent
P exists, its object is present, and it counts in favour of the object
P: Pleasure > Nonexistence
Deliberation path argument
We have two separate paths, one starting from Nonexistence, and another starting from Pleasure, and we can either end in Nonexistence or in Pleasure. So each is best, or permissible.
Best in the outcome argument
Each outcome is best according to every preference in it, according to what everyone would actually care about. So, on an actualist object view, each is best, or permissible.
Asymmetry and extinction
An important implication of the Asymmetry for cause prioritization is that our reasons to reduce the risk of extinction will be weaker than on total views. If we allow extinction, all of the potential “good” lives that never come to exist won’t actually care to have existed instead, because they won’t care about anything at all.
On the other hand, it doesn’t necessarily follow that, even ignoring indirect reasons, it would be better to cause or allow extinction for the sake of future people, in case at least one will have a bad life, or in case there’s a risk that at least one will have a bad life. That would plausibly follow on much stricter antinatalist Procreation Asymmetries, but my arguments here are compatible with non-antinatalist Procreation Asymmetries. There are multiple different ways to generalize my actualist arguments here to more complex cases, and I will discuss some in another piece.
Some problems for actualism
There are cases where we can’t do what everyone would prefer, but this is often a matter of conflicting preferences and making tradeoffs. We can’t always make everyone happy. And even one person can have their own conflicting preferences. We can’t always do best for each of someone’s preferences.
However, Bykvist (2007, 2010) proposed an unusual dilemma for actualist views:
If how informed or rational a preference is matters, let’s assume that neither preference is more informed or rational than the other; they are adopted for reasons that don’t come from your (in)experience with marriage.
No matter which outcome you choose or consider to be better, it will be worse to you in that outcome. This looks like a dilemma for actualism.
Still, it seems resolvable in a way that’s intuitively satisfying. We’re concerned with following your preferences, being guided by what you would actually care about. Your preferences in each outcome point to the other outcome. In this case, we could just ask which you would prefer more: to be unmarried if you marry, or to marry if you’re unmarried? And then just pick whichever you would prefer more.[7] Equivalently, we can just ask whichever you would disprefer least having done it.[8]
Spencer (2021) proposed an interpersonal dilemma with the same structure:
And we can resolve it the same way: Moremisery prefers Misery more than Misery prefers Moremisery, so we should choose Misery.
For different versions of actualism and related discussion, see Hare, 2007 (especially weak actualism), St. Jules, 2019, Cohen, 2020 and Spencer, 2021. Also similar are the narrow views described by Thomas (2019, section 5.2) and Pummer (2024). Object versions of these views would usually agree with the actualist object view arguments made in this piece. However, I don’t find these specific views — or any other view I’ve read about online — entirely satisfying. Most have some specific problems. With more than two options, most of these views can lead to the Repugnant Conclusion, the Very Repugnant Conclusion and replacement (St. Jules, 2024).
In another piece, I will motivate and outline a new approach to population ethics and the ethics of changing preferences that can overcome these problems and better match person-affecting intuitions. The approach generalizes Dasgupta’s method (Dasgupta, 1994, Broome, 1996, St. Jules, 2024) to one that can generate choice rules over more than 2 options from any binary choice rule or set of pairwise comparisons. The solution again seems to lie in just being more radically empathetic. Radical empathy is the gift that keeps on giving.
I will generalize this reasoning in another piece.
The argument is consistent with weak actualism: an option X is permissible if and only if it’s best according to the preferences in X, after aggregating them (Hare, 2007, Spencer, 2021). I will discuss this view, problems with it and potential solutions in another piece.
For example, because the preference P in Adopt is partly frustrated, we could assign it negative value in Adopt, but no or 0 value in Survive, because it doesn’t exist in Survive.
However, she wouldn’t disprefer Bobby dying if Bobby dies so wouldn’t have reason to object to it.
Antinatalist versions of the Asymmetry may not allow lives of positive well-being to offset lives of negative well-being, or the possibility of positive well-being to offset the risk of negative well-being. This can be avoided with other versions. Thomas (2022) defines:
and
We can combine the two:
We could also consider similar asymmetries applied to preferences instead of directly to whole-individual well-being.
MacAskill (2022, p.172) writes:
Beckstead (2013, pp.80–81) responds to “the victim requirement” for victims of existence with the possibility of beneficiaries of existence, e.g. those glad to have been born, and poses anti-complaints as the symmetric counterparts of complaints.
Bykvist (2007) also defends the dependence of an action’s moral status on whether or not it is performed, as long as the theory can still guide action:
On their equivalence:
1. In outcome Marry, you have a preference P for Unmarried over Marry. You prefer Unmarried and disprefer Marry by the strength of P.
2. In outcome Unmarried, you have a preference Q for Marry over Unmarried. You prefer Marry and disprefer Unmarried by the strength of Q.
Then,
You prefer Unmarried in Marry (P) more than you prefer Marry in Unmarried (Q)
iff
You disprefer Marry in Marry (P) more than you disprefer Unmarried in Unmarried (Q).
iff
P in Marry is stronger than Q in Unmarried