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On Wireheading

by Dave92F1
30th Jul 2025
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[-]CanYouFeelTheBenefits2mo*84

This is indeed an often overlooked approach to very effectively alleviate suffering.

Another key research question should be the optimal location of the electrode. The experiments done in rats only stimulated areas that induce intense wanting for the stimulation, the rats probably did not even experience pleasure but rather just craving for the stimulation.

Pleasure/joy itself is encoded in the medial orbitofrontal cortex, so this area might be worth looking into.

I could also imagine multiple electrodes stimulating all hedonic hotspots in the brain, e.g. in the nucleus accumbens, insula, ventral pallidum, orbitofrontal cortex. More on this here: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1705753114

Electrode stimulation of the insula cortex has already been shown to produce bliss in humans, so this location might also be a good approach:

"Insular Stimulation Produces Mental Clarity and Bliss": https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9300149/

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[-]niplav2mo20

Thanks for the references. See also Villard et al. 2022:

Electrode contacts where a pleasant sensation could be evoked were mostly located in the anterior insula (AI, a total of six stimulation, right AI: n=3, left AI: n=3) and in the amygdala (five stimulation; right amygdala: n=4, left amygdala: n=1) […]. Overall, most EBS that evoked pleasant sensations were applied to the right cerebral hemisphere (n=9) whereas only four were applied to the left hemisphere. In two patients, (P( and P8), the same sensation could be elicited from two different brain structures, i.e., a feeling of well-being by EBS in the right temporal pole and the amygdala (P4) and a positive emotion and well-being by EBS in the AI and the amygdala (P8).

And some more rough notes on the topic here.

I do think direct electrical stimulation is probably not optimal, and would rather we expand rTMS and modulated ultrasound approaches to Brian stimulation before we go full invasive. (This is more directed at Dave92F1.)

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[-]Sabiola1mo20

If my family history is any indication, I'll probably die from cancer at some point. In that case, I'd love to sign up for such an experiment.

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[-]Viliam1mo20

I see a possible risk that maybe we are misinterpreting the qualia of wireheading. What if it doesn't make you happy, doesn't stop the pain, only makes you extremely desire to "push the button more" while feeling exactly as much pain as before.

I guess we could test it by turning it off after a while, and asking the patient. But what if at that moment, the patient's brain is already reprogrammed to "tell them anything that seems like to let me push the button again"? So we would need to make sure that there is no correct answer, that in the name of science we are not going to connect the button for this specific patient again, no matter what. Which sounds like extra torture, possibly...

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(Cross-posted from my blog at https://mugwumpery.com/on-wireheading/)

We've collectively ignored one of the most promising approaches to alleviating extreme human suffering: direct electrical stimulation of brain reward circuits.

For those unfamiliar with the concept, in 1953 James Olds at Harvard ran wires to the pleasure centers of the brains of living rats. The rats preferred pressing a lever to send current into their brains to eating or drinking – until death. In the 1960s, science fiction authors coined the term "wireheading" to describe the technique; the analogies with drug addiction and compulsive behavior are obvious.

In the intervening years there has been remarkably little investigation of wireheading in humans, perhaps because of associations with dystopian scenarios and "ick" factors. 

Nonetheless, we should follow evidence wherever it leads and question moral intuitions that may prevent beneficial outcomes. 

Proposal

Conduct controlled experiments with voluntary brain stimulation in consenting patients who are:

  • Terminally ill
  • Experiencing severe, treatment-resistant pain
  • Cognitively intact enough to provide informed consent

We want to find out if direct reward system activation can provide better quality of life than current palliative approaches, and learn about human neural reward mechanisms.

Why This Matters

Current pain management is terrible. Opioids provide inadequate relief for many patients, cause cognitive impairment, respiratory depression, and lose effectiveness over time. Roughly 40% of terminal cancer patients report inadequate pain control despite maximum medical intervention.

Risk/benefit. These patients are dying anyway. The incremental surgical risk of electrode implantation is minimal compared to their baseline mortality. The potential upside - genuine relief from suffering - is enormous.

We're flying blind on fundamental questions. The rat wireheading experiments (Olds & Milner, 1954) showed extreme behavioral changes, but we have zero controlled data on human responses. Do humans show similar compulsive behavior? Will tolerance develop? Can cognitive awareness of the artificial nature moderate the response?

Addressing Obvious Objections

  • "This is playing God/unnatural/dystopian" - We already extensively manipulate brain chemistry with pharmaceuticals. Direct electrical stimulation is mechanistically cleaner and more targeted than flooding the system with opioids. The "natural" alternative is often weeks of agony before death.
  • "Patients might become addicted wireheads" - They're dying. If someone has 6 months to live and can spend it in bliss rather than pain, the addiction risk is irrelevant. Besides, we need actual data on whether this occurs in humans rather than assuming rat behavior translates.
  • "Regulatory/ethical barriers" - Terminal patient research already has established frameworks. We routinely approve experimental treatments with significant mortality risk for patients with poor prognoses. The ethical case here is stronger than most Phase I oncology trials.
  • "No commercial incentive" – Fair enough. This is worth independent funding. 

A Research Program

Start with patients who already have neurosurgical access (brain tumors requiring surgery) to minimize additional risk. Implant electrodes in multiple reward regions and systematically map stimulation parameters against subjective wellbeing measures.

Key research questions:

  • Optimal stimulation patterns and intensities
  • Tolerance development mechanism and timelines
  • Interaction with existing pain pathways
  • Cognitive and behavioral effects
  • Patient preference vs. conventional pain management

Yes, we may be creating wireheads – is that really worse than letting terminal patients die in agony? 

The Broader Implications

Success here could revolutionize not just palliative care, but our entire approach to treatment-resistant depression, chronic pain, and other conditions involving dysfunctional reward systems. The research has massive positive externalities beyond the immediate patient population.

We spend billions on marginal life extension while ignoring interventions that could dramatically improve quality of remaining life. This represents a profound misallocation of research resources driven by status quo bias and moral squeamishness rather than rational evaluation of expected outcomes.

Call to Action

Probably IRBs won't like the idea. But IRBs suck. If you care more about helping people than about kissing the feet of IRBs, you should do it anyway. There are plenty of private people who'd be happy to fund such research (including one of the authors). 

If you're in science funding, ask why we're not already investigating this. If you know terminal patients, discuss whether they'd want this option available.

The biggest tragedy isn't that some patients might become "wireheads" - it's that we're allowing preventable suffering to continue because we're uncomfortable with the solution.

Maybe the whole thing is a bad idea. That's not for IRBs or "professional ethicists" to decide – it's for patients and funders to decide; in free societies gatekeepers don't get to tell informed adults what to do and what risks to take. We'll find out if it's a good idea only if we actually do the research.


This post was written by Dave92F1 and Claude Sonnet 4, 2025-07-30.