I applaud the work you've done to bring transparency to the current state of play inside the frontier labs.
We really need the scientific community - especially the public facing portion of it, people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, educating people about AI, because the state of public discourse that could being pressure on these companies is abysmal.
And then I was horrified when I googled it and it turns out he's clueless to the sort of threat it poses. Not that his mind couldn't be changed, but the layers of effort needed just got even more concerning.
Yes, 100% agreed, but this paradigm needs to acknowledge legal issues. I work in an industry where we actively try to incentivize companies to publish less-than-flattering information and the specter of lawsuits haunt everything.
There is always a legal risk of a lawsuit that reporting is a breach of fiduciary duty. Disclosing unflattering information that a company has no legal obligation to report on can be seen as securities fraud designed to lower shareholder value. (Everything is securities fraud, truly).
PBCs like Anthropic and OpenAI may be able to get out of this because they may not have profit maximization duties. Still, others do, and PBCs are still susceptible to fiduciary duty breach lawsuits if it's proven that the other action was not within their remit.
Maybe it's ironic that it is only now that laws become a problem but they will be a problem, especially when many people's fortunes are tied up in the valuations of these companies.
How sure are you that this is an issue here? I would guess that laws like the EU AI act already require a lot of disclosure.
Directionally correct, substantially wrong. It's not a fiduciary duty issue (though some people do worry about that with anti-ESG backlash and all).
However, it is true that voluntary disclosure (i.e. disclosure past regulation, which this post argues for) creates a lot of litigation risks. Information has to be 100% correct or boom, lawsuit. This seems like a high standard for a field that is really confusing. Information could also be used in a different litigation case against a company, like a consumer welfare case.
Maybe the argument is that companies should suck it up and accept these legal risks, but litigation is long, painful, and costly. It's also just a really inefficient way to change behavior of organizations and, if anything, would change behavior towards less disclosure.
TL;DR - the more you say that you didn't have to, the more surface area there is for constant lawsuits.
Probably, both voluntary disclosure and non-voluntary disclosure create litigation risks. I think the interesting claim is whether requirements for non-voluntary disclosure can reduce litigation risks.
Thank you very much for writing this! It means a lot coming from someone with your standing. I have linked to this post several times already in the last few days.
Providing public evidence about risk is exactly the type of work that my organization (Arcadia) is aiming to do. If you ever feel like there are specific things you would like the third-party community to do I would love to hear about it!
Thank you for writing this -- I think it's very valuable.
I notice, though, that I'm pretty confused about the incentive structures for labs releasing things publicly. Subsequently, I'm confused about how 3rd party evidence transparency would interact with these incentive structures.
Regarding the labs' public releases, I feel like there are at least three forces at play. The first two are in favor of evidence being publicized, while the third is in opposition to it:
It's not clear to me at all how the above three things interact inside labs.
I then see several ways that 3rd party evidence transparency (3PET) can interact with lab's public releases. The first one benefits the lab which releases its information publicly, while the latter two might differentially harm this lab:
I would love to understand how people think about these dynamics. On the one hand, I'd like maximum evidence transparency. On the other, some parts of "3rd party researchers doing the labs' homework" strike me as counterproductive.
Evidence about risks should be transparent, and CEOs and employees should be much more transparent/honest/blunt about the current levels of risks, cf: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/gJJ9YHzuBvwAXrthW/there-is-a-channel-to-900m-weekly-users-what-goes-in-it
All views are my own and do not represent my employer.
In the wake of the recent wave of misalignment incidents, both OpenAI and Anthropic have reported slowing down RL training to improve safety. These incidents, combined with an apparent acceleration in the already-blistering pace of AI progress,[1] have led a number of researchers and leaders in the industry to believe that the risk that humanity loses control of AI is now urgent enough to warrant slowing down the pace of AI development soon.
This has led to a lot of discussion about the role of third party evaluators in verifying “pacing commitments”, evaluating safety cases, or auditing compliance with safety policies. I think these are valuable roles for third party groups to aim to fulfill, but I also worry we’re putting the cart before the horse in all this talk of “verifying” and “auditing” things.
The science on loss-of-control risk is, to put it generously, nascent. Companies are not in the business of making structured, standardized claims about risk and safety that can be cleanly verified or falsified. There are no settled methods for measuring whether increasingly powerful AI systems might try to undermine human control or seize control entirely — companies report on various alignment benchmarks, but it is hard to tell whether their training process simply taught the models to game these benchmarks. It is hard to confidently bound risk even over a horizon of months because there is vast and hard-to-reduce uncertainty about whether recursive self-improvement will suddenly lead to AI systems capable of toppling states or overpowering humanity.
To the extent that AI companies choose to proceed with AI development, they can and should do their best to manage their own safety practices. They should continue to unilaterally slow as needed to do this, and there is room to do more in that vein. But to durably reduce loss-of-control risk to an acceptable level, we will probably need to develop shared technical standards for how to manage this risk adequately and enforce those standards uniformly across the industry, including internationally.[2]
We currently lack the basic prerequisites needed to have a conversation about safety standards: a shared understanding of the current state of loss-of-control risk, what companies are currently doing or not doing to try to manage it, and how well these efforts do or don’t work. The claims that AI companies make about these topics are currently far too high-level and imprecise to cleanly “verify” or “disprove.”[3] Moreover, no company is even making a set of public safety claims that adequately cover all the important questions about loss-of-control risk.[4]
In this situation, I think what we most need is not verification of the safety claims companies are currently making, but production of a far greater quantity and quality of concrete evidence about loss-of-control risk and how companies are managing it.
AI companies themselves can and should be generating and publishing much more of this evidence, but third party investigations of major questions relevant to risk can also help. These investigations would look less like trying to prove or disprove claims in a structured “safety case”, and more like generating and operationalizing hypotheses relevant to risk and coming up with a wide range of creative ways to generate evidence about whether these hypotheses are true: in other words, like doing science.
And like all good science, I believe third party investigations should aim for evidence transparency: that is, publicly sharing as much of the empirical evidence underlying their conclusions as possible. External scientists will generally have to trust that third party evaluators like METR are not outright lying, but the goal is that insofar as possible they should not have to trust that we are making the right judgment calls on tough scientific questions — they should be able to read our reports and form their own views. Evidence transparency has three big benefits:
Given capacity constraints and the need to navigate redactions for IP, it will not be possible to achieve perfect evidence transparency for third party investigations. For example, in our Hugging Face report, we wrote a Methodology appendix but did not share our prompts (and certainly not our code). But evidence transparency was our north star, and I think we got pretty far — if you read the report carefully, your interpretation of what it means is about as good as mine.[5]
We need to admit that understanding and managing loss-of-control risk is an open scientific problem that no AI company or external research group has settled. Standard scientific norms of evidence transparency evolved to handle this situation, and we should lean into them. If AI companies and third party researchers make it a priority over the next several months, I believe we can dramatically improve the state of public scientific evidence about loss-of-control risk and mitigations. I think this would put industry leaders and policymakers in a much better position to implement a functional governance regime for loss-of-control risk.
Anthropic and OpenAI have reported that measures like the amount of code written by AI and number of agent-workdays per human workday have sped up a lot recently. No company systematically reports verified measures of outputs like how much algorithmic progress has sped up, and from public evidence it is not clear how the input measures companies report translate into the output measures that matter. Most researchers I know seem to have the sense that progress in AI capabilities has sped up recently, but they are unsure whether this is the start of a continuous acceleration.
The extent to which a set of standards reduces risk depends on how stringent they are, which is in turn ultimately a political question. For example, some researchers believe that alignment practices should not be considered "adequate" unless they are provably robust; trying to meet this bar would likely necessitate pausing development for many years or decades. The political process could settle on working standards that are far short of this while still raising the bar substantially on top of what any developer is currently achieving.
For example, it would take a lot of judgment and thought to operationalize a claim like “We don’t believe we’re overfitting to our methods of detecting misalignment,” and testing it could require poring over training data or running novel evaluations.
For one thing, I believe no company is making a crisp claim that they are confident they will not be able to build uncontrollable superintelligence within six months.
As stated in the redaction summary statement at the top of the report, METR and OpenAI were able to agree on how to describe redactions for all the important evidence underlying our views. This means that if an outside researcher carefully read the report and came to a different interpretation about how concerning the agents’ behavior was or what it means for the future, I wouldn’t feel like they should trust me because I had seen so much more private evidence that informed my view.